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hello everyone and welcome to the show

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I'm Martin Willis your host we have

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Alejandro Rojas coming up in just a

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he's from Vancouver his website is your

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inner voice calm interesting guy we had

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him on early in the show about three

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aboard I thank you very much now I did

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say that and I will stick true to my

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anyone who supports for $10 or more a

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you're welcome to email me at Martin at

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graphics made down in New York City a

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person down there is making a new

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graphics gonna make a really nice

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t-shirt I can send the ones I have now

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or you can wait for the better ones is

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up to you let me know send me an email

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and we appreciate every single listener

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and that's enough babbling for me this

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evening and now it's time to bring on

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the missing he's been missing for two

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weeks he's back

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under Rojas how are you good but I'm not

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talking unless you promise me a teacher

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I'm it's a strike you mean didn't I keep

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okay well they're not they're not made

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the graphics are being drawn up right

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now as we speak

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when they are made will I get one better

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yeah I've learned that from striking

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from Union to end this story so I'm a

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one-man UFO news union are you paying

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your union dues I do okay we all do yes

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we all pay our dues pay my you my UFO

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dues by putting up stories and then

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having trolls cover happended no

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there are lots of very very very

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pleasant people that are fun to talk to

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interesting stories and I think you know

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haboob that came through and a haboob if

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movie with the horse they're always

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everything but they're dust a big dust

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one that comes through and they're

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of these storms because it's DC that's

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emails and stuff regarding this this

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exciting UFO story I'm going to talk to

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you about but yet so we didn't have much

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visibility yesterday but hopefully we

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York City in between the skyscrapers

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the show I might take a look

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you should that'd be really exciting and

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it would be interesting to see if there

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are more UFO reports I wouldn't doubt

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that would be the case you know a lot of

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people would say oh yeah there's a you

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know people's imaginations or whatever

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but when you get more eyes in the sky

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you never know that's how I am yeah yeah

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welcome back yeah thank you very much it

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was a very nice relaxing break I got to

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hang out at the beach and also go on a

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ghost tour in San Diego so that was a

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lot of fun but as far as UFO stuff you

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this is a story from Roger Marsh from

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MUFON this was submitted to MUFON and

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this is a weird video and you had

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brought it up on my show about a a UFO

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video in Indonesia it was actually

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allegedly recorded on my birthday July

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17th / Jakarta and it's kind of weird

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floating in the sky you would think at

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first it's a balloon or something

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mundane but then it has kind of these

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weird movements back and forth one

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strange thing is at the Witte the

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witness as it moves slowly at a

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constant speed but end the video you can

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certainly see that that's not the case

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that it kind of makes this weird

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movement the weird movement makes me

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think maybe it's a hoax but I'm not sure

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they say that MUFON is investigating but

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kind of an interesting video there you

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I I still do and but you know I mean the

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unfortunate thing is anything can be

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faked these days and it would be a shame

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if that one in particular is because it

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and and these links will be in our show

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notes that'll take you over to open

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minds TV

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and you can actually watch the video

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over there yeah yeah come on over and

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sit a spell and watch UFO videos with us

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we got more than that one but it's not a

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because I think it's really cool and

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it's kind of its kind of silly in a way

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Daily Express to UK newspapers that

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write about UFOs often especially The

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Daily Express they've been writing about

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UFOs practically every day hey I think

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it has been every day for the last few

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months and thankfully they have written

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about open mind stories the reason I'm

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bringing this up is that you know we

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often talk about how the news doesn't do

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their due diligence and for some reason

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the Telegraph's in the Daily Express is

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talking about these new released UFO

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files from Scotland Yard essentially the

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UK Metropolitan Police is their

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technical name but actually dr. David

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Clarke who's a lecturer in journalism at

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Sheffield Hallam University says he got

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these via FOIA in 2005 so he's the

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reason that these documents got released

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and he wrote about them in a book and he

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put him out in 2005 I don't know why The

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Daily Express and telegraph are saying

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they're new

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but she was writing about the special

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branch there in charge of national

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security they're part of Scotland Yard

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and they've been investigating UFO errs

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more recently they've been investigating

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UFO enthusiasts especially since 97 and

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98 and this was due to heaven's gate

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that group where they committed suicide

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they decided these guys committed

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suicide so they ought to start watching

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these people who are into UFOs and stuff

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just in case you know there's any more

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cult being created so they're looking at

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people who watch the x-files and Star

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Trek you know those Trekkies which are

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you know often Trekkies are very strange

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I think you'd probably agree with that

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but aren't you well no I'm I had Rodger

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Nygaard who did a documentary called

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Trekkies and he was on the show he's

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actually a skeptic and so he's on one of

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my shows but if you watch that show it's

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on Netflix called Trekkie some you

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really yeah you do see some very some

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real characters for sure absolutely

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and I'm kidding because I'm a bit of a

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one of the other shows they watch you

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probably had Bryce a bow on I think but

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a friend he's written a book with

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Richard Dolan a great guy he did a TV

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series called dark skies that was kind

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of an answer to x-files I think it was

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NBC I should look this up I keep

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forgetting and it was about mj-12 and

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everything but that was listed in their

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documents as well so they didn't find

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anything essentially but they had

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decided to keep an eye on him in these

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official records what's also interesting

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and they called it you know ufologists

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that they were looking at ufologists but

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what's really cool it older files also

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show that they kept an eye on on other

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UFO organizations

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mainly because they thought they might

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be related to communist because as you

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probably know you know in the 50s there

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were lots of contactees and the

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contactees we're talking about you know

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we shouldn't use nukes and we need you

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know peace and love and they thought you

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know and of course right-wing there's

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anytime you talk about peace and love

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they think Oh these are communists so

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that's kind of what happened and and the

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the right-wingers actually got the

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police involved with looking at

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especially at one cult in particular and

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sort of term if you look it up these

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days but this was a UFO religion

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essentially that had started called the

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R therians it started by a guy named

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George King who said he was channeling

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aliens and alien called Arthur rias and

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they even let him do this on TV and like

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the late 50s so they were being watched

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to see if perhaps they were being you

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know they were communists and pushing a

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communist kind of movement but their

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movement was not so much about communism

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it was about no nukes and it was also

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about releasing UFO information so

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according to dr. Clarke these were the

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first people to have a UFO disclosure

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March and this happened also in the late

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50s yeah kind of interesting idea Wow

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yeah the first people to do it and so

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they were some UFO activists and

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supposedly I guess some of the people

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from the Special Branch went there to

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watch I guess there were a lot of people

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that were watching but once the guy

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started giving his speeches everybody

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went away and they lost interest was

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there a little four year old Steven

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Bassett there there might have been I

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don't know but I doubt it this was quite

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some time ago I don't know how old he is

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but it was good notes maybe it was kind

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of a joke but yeah sorry yeah you know I

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realized it was a joke a but

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all right I really screwed that up I'm

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gonna edit that you know I have to leave

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it in all right okay I dare you

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I'll leave all of this in I promise all

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right I'm not gonna edit one thing in

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this news you've got to be bold yeah

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well it's you know the if I do the news

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pre-recorded like this and I don't edit

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it it's just as good as being live I

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think yeah then it's really the same

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thing because I try to do very very

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little editing at all because I like it

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to have that live feel and and those

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awkward pauses like you know because

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sometimes I know how you are I will

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pause and not say anything on purpose so

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that you kind of squirm there giggle or

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something and I'm very entertained by

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your reaction and your uneasiness and so

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I hope the audience is as well yeah

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thank you for that the last story though

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this has been the excitement for the

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last couple of days for me and actually

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I've been sort of keeping my eye on this

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story for like a year a long time and

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and I mean behind the scenes kind of

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look not just what everybody else had

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seen because we had written about this

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but this has to do with a video that was

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released that was leaked that allegedly

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had come from Department of Homeland

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Security and it's from Puerto Rico and

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it was it's you see this flare you know

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and you see all the telemetry like you

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would have from a military or law

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enforcement kind of video following this

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object now this video a poor copy of

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this video was released about a year ago

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it was somehow leaked this puerto rican

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UFO researcher got it

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put it online but he had the information

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all wrong he said it was a helicopter he

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said all this stuff and there was very

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little data that came along with it he

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just had the video and this guy thought

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it was a helicopter and there was some

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back-and-forth then actually a few

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months ago a high

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resolution was posted by John Greenwald

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from the black vault because he received

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a high-resolution copy with an anonymous

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letter and it turns out some of the

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details in this anomalous letter were

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accurate that so this person had some

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inside knowledge so I suspect personally

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that whoever gave this to Greenwald was

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someone from this base and it seems that

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people on this base were really excited

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about this video the person who emailed

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Greenwald also emailed these researchers

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that I'm going to refer to in a minute

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I've been working with and they said in

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their letter this is proof that there's

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aliens there's an alien base in Puerto

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Rico kind of interesting but what

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happened is these guys have been working

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at on this this whole time for over a

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year there's a group of researchers that

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were approached by a witness and that's

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all I can say and this witness was an

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acquaintance of the pilot who worked for

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the customs and borders Patrol which is

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a department of the Homeland Security in

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Puerto Rico so this pilot and his crew

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were flying in a routine flight they

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circled around the airport a couple of

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times but when they took off for their

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flight they saw a light over the ocean

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to the north they called it in to the

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tower because the tower didn't tell him

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that there was any traffic in the area

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the tower said we don't see anything on

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radar however we have a visual of that

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object as well the when the object came

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close to the coast the lights turned off

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and luckily it's about that time that

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the aircraft which is a DHC 8a - 8 it's

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kind of a big name for this thing the

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nickname for it it's a propeller plane

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fixed-wing it had a FLIR system on it a

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thermal imaging system and at the time

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that the lights went off it was able to

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begin track

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this object so they flew around the base

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a couple times and then moved out to the

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south all the while tracking this object

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they tracked it for a little less than

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three minutes and this high-resolution

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video was then shared with these

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researchers and they investigated it for

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over a year to research who these people

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are to verify that it did come from

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homeland security which they have

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verified they also did a FOIA to get

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radar data to see if the radars were

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detecting the object they were not but

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they did detect the the DHC ate the

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border patrol craft of course and that

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was helpful because even though there's

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telemetry in this video showing where

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the aircraft is this just verifies that

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you know that's not a hoax that someone

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didn't hoax this video and it's all an

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elaborate CGI it verifies that plane was

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in that place at that time

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the pilot also are the acquaintances to

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the pilot who is the main source for

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these guys said that there was a plane

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that was delayed taking off from this

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Airport because it was an airport this

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object flew over because of this own

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known in the area and in the flight logs

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you can indeed see there was a plane

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that was delayed at that exact time so

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everything that the witness had said all

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checked out these guys were able to

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verify this was an acquaintance of the

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pilot that this guy they didn't disclose

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where this guy worked but they said he

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was someone who would be in the know

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they were able to verify all of this and

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you know you kind of got to then trust

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the researchers and that they've done a

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good job verifying that but these are

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people I've known for years they're some

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of the best I think

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researchers in this field so are you

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able to disclose who they are yes I can

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all right because now they've released

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this document just yesterday they

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released it and luckily they let me have

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a preview so I could write a story and

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summarize it so I could help them get

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the word out and tell people about them

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releasing it but they released their one

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sixty-two page analysis and I've

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summarized it in my story but the people

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are a lot of them work with MUFON

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although this was done outside of MUFON

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and they want to be very clear about

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that

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and mostly this is it's because the

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witnesses didn't want it to be part of

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MUFON the witnesses are very scared

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about any repercussions so they only

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wanted a very few people to be involved

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this was first given to a lady who's

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actually a MUFON investigator and she's

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also a famous cuban-born science fiction

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and fantasy writer she's like the

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best-selling Cuban fantasy and science

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fiction writer I believe but she's very

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popular dana chavacano is her name she

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was the first one that was approached by

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their source so she went to essentially

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her MUFON boss which is Morgan BL I

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don't know if you talked to him he's the

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Florida MoveOn guy who runs that chapter

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there and they decided then to put

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together a small group of friends

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including rich Hoffmann who works in the

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defense industry she's also a MUFON

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State Director I think for Alabama I

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forget which state and then they also

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got involved Robert Powell who is a

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director of research for MUFON they got

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a couple other guys involved also with

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some science background one of them is a

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physicist and so this was the core group

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that did this long investigation and

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they determined what the witnesses

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believed in that said the witnesses said

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this thing had flown from the ocean over

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the airport and then back out into the

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ocean and that it went through the water

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and that had moved very quickly through

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the water and then split in two that's

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what the the thermal imaging video

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appears to show this group did some

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research to figure out where this object

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was and its flight path in order to

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determine its speed and they determined

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that it was going around 80 miles per

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hour on average but at

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time's it was going a hundred plus in

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the air and through the water that it

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went into the water and barely slowed

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down at all there you can barely see I

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think a couple lights flashes when it's

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by the water but I mean that's what it

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appears the sinks doing so it's really

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strange a lot of investigators and

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researchers have looked at this

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prior to this report coming out there

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was a lot of speculation and a lot of

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people who had done some research based

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solely off the video and the telemetry

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in the video some of those researchers

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not all of them but some like Mark

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Dantonio and at least one or two other

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people I've seen online determined that

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the object was a balloon what they said

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was that the aircraft is moving a rim

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found this object so the background is

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moving very quickly so even though it

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looks like the object is moving quickly

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it's not it's moving very slowly and

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it's just a balloon I just interrupt you

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right there yes I that's the first thing

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I thought when I watched the video -

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except when it gets to the water that

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doesn't make any sense

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when it comes to what it is doing in the

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water it's like going in and out of the

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water barely making splashes in and

528
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moving really fast so I agree when it's

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up in the air the first thing I thought

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well it looks like it could be a balloon

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turning and twisting and and possibly

532
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the background from an airplane aircraft

533
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being going by it you know it could make

534
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it look like it was moving faster than

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it was mm-hmm but how do you explain how

536
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would mark the Antonio and I'm glad to

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hear that he's he's at it again but how

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would he explain it going through the

539
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water he hasn't finished his analysis

540
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but I've gone back and forth with him on

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that cuz I agree with you it looks like

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it's going into the water the

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researchers who are calling them they

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posted their their research by the way

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on a website called the Scientific

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Coalition for ufology where if they do

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further studies like this they'll post

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more stuff so the SI scu is how i'll

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refer

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to them going forward but they say it

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looks like it's going into the water and

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everybody said it was going into the

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water because it was going into the

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water and that they've been able to

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demonstrate because of the reaction of

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the thermal and where you see some light

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and dark patches that shows there was

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some splashing and it was going into the

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water so I asked mark to say how it

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looks like it's going into the water he

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says it's not she says that with these

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sorts of radar it's it's detecting

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thermal so the object is really dark

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through most of this video but when the

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background is a similar temperature as

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the object then the colors will be

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similar and the object will seem to

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disappear I have a problem with that

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because the only times this seems to

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happen the object only seems to

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disappear when it appears like it's

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going behind trees or it appears like

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it's going through water

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if this effect was happening why does it

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only happen around the trees and around

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the water that doesn't make sense to me

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especially because the trees in the

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water are not going to be the trees are

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probably not going to be much different

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than the ground in temperature if

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anything they'd probably be cooler same

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with the water the water would be cooler

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so you would think that the difference

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between the object and the water would

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be more drastic not less and while it's

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going over the water and it seems to be

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above the water it is much more there is

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more contrast between the object in the

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background so it appears to go through

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the water and through the trees it looks

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like that's what it's doing and so that

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was my thing with it cuz I you know

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people speculated a balloon but this

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object did seem to move pretty quickly

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and it does move from one point to

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another and it seems to move through

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trees and at one point be over land and

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one point over water so what the seu had

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00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:28,950
found you know seems more like what it's

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going on in the video but market so far

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is sticking to that it's a visual effect

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00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:37,340
and he's doing

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analysis to to determine if he's right

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well please give my best to him I'm glad

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to hear he's back at it yeah for anyone

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00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:46,400
that doesn't know Mark Dantonio had some

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00:26:50,530 --> 00:26:49,160
serious health issues and we're all

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00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:50,540
pulling for him and look sounds like

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he's getting back to it so I'm glad to

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hear that so are you going to be doing a

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podcast about this next week is that

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yeah all right my Monday podcast will be

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about this I'll have Robert and Morgan

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on the show and we'll talk about it also

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00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:08,330
our UFO update for next week will be

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about this because there are more

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developments there's more people looking

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at it including other scientific

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organizations Wow have had a positive

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00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:20,300
response they think the reports good and

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they think it's an extraordinary case so

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that's very positive so it's looking

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it's really really interesting I think

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these guys did an amazing job and I

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think one of the trouble it takes some

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00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:38,030
time to go through 162 page report and

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that's what a lot of it's going on right

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00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,830
now researchers like Marc and others are

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going through this document and the

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researchers are very open to alternative

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ideas but they do ask and I think it's

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00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,680
fair look at their research before you

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00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,120
comment because there's been a lot of

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00:27:58,030 --> 00:27:56,000
that you know look through the research

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00:28:00,460 --> 00:27:58,040
because they probably addressed whatever

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00:28:03,820 --> 00:28:00,470
your concern is and if they haven't

637
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,830
they're more than willing to do so well

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00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:05,840
thanks so much others made themselves

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00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:09,050
very available thanks so much it's we've

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00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:11,570
ran a little long this time okay almost

641
00:28:16,150 --> 00:28:13,850
a half hour but that's fine it's been

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00:28:17,740 --> 00:28:16,160
real interesting and I can't wait till I

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00:28:20,260 --> 00:28:17,750
actually listen to those guys talk about

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00:28:22,810 --> 00:28:20,270
it next week yeah that'd be great thanks

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00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:22,820
again for having me on and check it out

646
00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:26,030
and again people you can find all these

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00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,350
stories through the show notes at

648
00:28:34,810 --> 00:28:29,840
podcast UFO comm that'll lead you right

649
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:34,820
over to open mind TV and if you hang in

650
00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:36,290
there we'll be coming back live with

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00:28:41,140 --> 00:28:38,150
bran Kelly and just a minute thanks

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00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:41,150
again alejandro thank you and we'll talk

653
00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:42,890
to you next week yeah I'll talk to you

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00:29:34,270 --> 00:28:44,660
soon just wait for the music break we'll

655
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:38,230
yet John Kelly will be right with us and

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00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:40,980
so just one thing I wanted to say to

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00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:44,340
everyone is I am actually going to be at

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00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:51,120
the experiencers speak coming up it is

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00:29:57,890 --> 00:29:55,710
August 28th and August 29th and I will

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be there and I'd love to see you if

661
00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:00,030
you're there I'm probably going to wear

662
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:04,190
like one of my podcast UFO t-shirts that

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00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:08,010
you know nobody buys again I'm gonna

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00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:09,630
have new graphics made and they're

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00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,370
coming at coming up really soon I'm

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00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:12,720
trying to reach John

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00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:16,410
Kelly right now and so that's our guest

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00:30:24,290 --> 00:30:19,290
28th and August 29th and that's at the

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fireside in in Portland Maine and it

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00:30:28,270 --> 00:30:25,650
should be a great conference grant

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Cameron's going to be there number of

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00:30:34,790 --> 00:30:32,300
noted people Kathy Martin Denise stoner

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00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:34,800
the list is right on their website if

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00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:37,650
you look up experience or speak and for

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00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:39,630
some reason I'm having trouble reaching

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00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:41,910
up John Kelly

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00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:45,570
and I'll keep trying them here we just

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00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:48,830
spoke earlier so I'm not sure what the

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00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:01,040
may have him call into the show and he's

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00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:02,760
been following along listening to us

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00:31:10,550 --> 00:31:07,190
live so he may be having some type of

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00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:10,560
technical difficulties on his end I'm

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00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:30,860
all right so I I really apologize

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00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:32,730
everyone we're gonna try to get this

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00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:44,870
try them again here so while we're

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00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:48,510
waiting I have thought about the person

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00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:50,150
that's going to design the t-shirts

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00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:52,350
they're going to make me three different

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00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:55,170
graphics and I thought about displaying

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00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:57,470
them some somehow on my website and

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00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:00,120
maybe have a survey and have you pick as

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00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:03,390
a listener out there out there John are

693
00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:04,950
you there I sure AM

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00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:07,580
John are you hearing a little feedback

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00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:13,950
to have your headphones on can you hear

696
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:19,020
me now John I can't hear you are you

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00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:22,850
muted no well allow me to swap out my

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00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:26,760
accent I'm sorry we tested we had tested

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00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:28,410
for this setup so I will quickly no no

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00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,110
it sounds good now though it is good you

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00:32:34,670 --> 00:32:32,880
are good welcome to the show we had a

702
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:34,680
little trouble reaching you well it's

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00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,910
super to be with you guys and I thank

704
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:37,980
you for your patience yeah yeah now you

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00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:41,970
were on I think it was April 2012 I'm

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00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:44,130
pretty sure that's when it was so that's

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00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:47,880
that's going back so 99.9% I think we

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00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:50,130
had Scott was our original listener back

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00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:51,810
then there's a couple of others that

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00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:54,690
have been listening that far back Peggy

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00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:55,890
I believe was listening that for our

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00:32:59,720 --> 00:32:58,290
back so it's going to be all new to the

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00:33:01,760 --> 00:32:59,730
people that are listening however I do

714
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:01,770
get email from a number of listeners

715
00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:03,570
that go back through all my podcasts

716
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:05,550
which I really appreciate and listen

717
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:08,790
probably have listened to it so so for

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00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:11,340
the person who hasn't heard of John

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00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,710
Kelly can you tell them a little bit

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00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:15,360
about your background first of all

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00:33:21,020 --> 00:33:17,930
you're in is it Vancouver Island

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00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:21,030
Vancouver British Columbia it's one of

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00:33:26,420 --> 00:33:22,620
the main ports on the west coast here on

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00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:26,430
Canada and Vancouver native and have

725
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:29,070
been pursuing all kinds of interesting

726
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:32,480
fields of research most of my life and

727
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:35,130
became widely known publicly in the late

728
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:36,930
1990s as someone who was interested in

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00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:38,460
what at that time was being referred to

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00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:40,770
as reverse speech which is the study of

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00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:42,330
unconscious communications and

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00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:47,840
- in the in normal conversation and I

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00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:51,510
established a prac a grassroots practice

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00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:54,390
and work with individuals my practice

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00:34:00,259 --> 00:33:57,510
grew to become an international practice

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00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:00,269
I ended up as a CBS Radio future

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00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:02,700
producer at one point based on the

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00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:04,490
studies I became very prominent

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00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:07,080
throughout english-speaking media for my

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00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:09,179
arguments and demonstrations of these

741
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:11,129
phenomena of hidden speech

742
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,379
communications and parallel with that I

743
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:15,599
developed some very interesting visual

744
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,570
catalogues including high-resolution

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00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:21,060
photography produced during yoga

746
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:25,550
meditation sessions and as well as

747
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,020
documenting through video the local and

748
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:30,240
regional UFO phenomena of the Pacific

749
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:34,129
Northwest as well as events in Texas

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00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:37,530
Stephenville the Marfa lights and

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00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:39,450
they're interesting areas Mount Adams

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00:34:45,339 --> 00:34:42,750
the famous Kenan sighting in that region

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00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:45,349
I've spent expect extensive time with

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00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:47,849
high sensitivity night-vision equipment

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00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:51,030
in that region taking recordings of

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00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:52,950
different phenomena so it's something

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00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,000
I've missed quite heavily into as an as

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00:35:02,030 --> 00:35:00,720
an opportune situation being as I am in

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00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,040
the Pacific Northwest which is a high

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00:35:07,810 --> 00:35:04,320
incident of sightings and accounts in

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00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:07,820
film that come out of this region I

762
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:11,430
proceeded to write a column for examiner

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00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:15,000
calm for four to five years called the

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00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:16,680
Vancouver UFO examiner which was very

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00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:18,810
popular and received wide distribution

766
00:35:23,290 --> 00:35:21,330
the articles that I wrote would appear

767
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:23,300
on the front pages of websites such as

768
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:28,820
USA Today or MSNBC the Irish Independent

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00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:31,920
Dallas Morning News and a very long list

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00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:34,290
of of english-language news publications

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00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:36,630
picked up my stories my UFO related

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00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:38,790
content and other content investigative

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00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:41,880
content that I developed and so I

774
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:44,430
emerged as somebody who had a high

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00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:47,130
reputation in media for investigative

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00:35:53,809 --> 00:35:51,510
studies and took took attorney into the

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00:35:55,610 --> 00:35:53,819
UFO subject matter

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00:35:59,330 --> 00:35:55,620
beginning with the presidency

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00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:59,340
Barack Obama and I've been I've been

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00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:01,320
doing field field research in this in

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00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:03,390
this area again in the field with high

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00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,720
sensitivity night-vision and at sent I'm

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00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:08,880
reporting on some of the issues in in

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00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:10,230
related subject areas such as

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00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:13,320
Exopolitics I currently write for news

786
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:15,240
inside out comm then the news website

787
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:16,980
that I co-founded with Alfred Lamont

788
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,460
Webber at the end of last year which was

789
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,380
coincident with the time of the the

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00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,720
wrapping up of my examiner.com column

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00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:25,680
which is something we'll talk a little

792
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:28,110
bit about I'm sure as the interview

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00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:29,970
develops and news inside out comments

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00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:32,420
where I produce some my 2015 mini

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00:36:37,850 --> 00:36:35,370
documentary series which is which is a

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00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:37,860
very strong you know focus it takes a

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00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,110
deeper look at my footage from Martha

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00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:42,960
where I have pristine quality Marfa

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00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:45,960
lights three CCD images that I produced

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00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:48,870
on site as well as Mount Adams UFO

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00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,060
phenomena the Okanagan British Columbia

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00:36:57,860 --> 00:36:53,700
UFO phenomena and many other sort of

803
00:37:00,110 --> 00:36:57,870
insights emphasizing the psychic aspects

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00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,120
of contact and even for the

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00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:02,160
videographers who are out engaging with

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00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:03,930
UFOs whose evidence that suggests that

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00:37:07,340 --> 00:37:06,150
they are anticipating the events and

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00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:07,350
having the equipment set up on time

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00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:10,530
prior to the incidence so they get very

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00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:13,410
very good quality footage this the

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00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:15,510
psychic dimensions of UFO contact appear

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00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:16,770
to be very important and they're

813
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:18,210
prominent in my research and with the

814
00:37:22,070 --> 00:37:20,250
people that I interview and discuss

815
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:22,080
these questions with and so this is an

816
00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:24,450
ongoing a theme I think in my work is

817
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:25,950
the encounter with the psychic nature

818
00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:28,380
and coming to terms with our own psychic

819
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:29,940
nature people who engage in these types

820
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:32,790
of studies may find it has awakening

821
00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:34,380
powers upon them they may find they have

822
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:37,560
they start to see expressions of what

823
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:40,110
could be interpreted as telepathic

824
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:41,670
communications of the extraterrestrials

825
00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:43,770
as a consequence of participate

826
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:45,360
participating in sky watches and

827
00:37:49,940 --> 00:37:47,970
searching the skies and attempting to to

828
00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:49,950
document the different things that are

829
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:51,270
out there certainly there's a lot out

830
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,290
there people who equipped with night

831
00:37:57,220 --> 00:37:54,720
vision see a lot further than the

832
00:38:00,530 --> 00:37:57,230
unaided eye and when you expand your

833
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:00,540
your pool so to speak of phenomena it's

834
00:38:03,130 --> 00:38:01,890
more likely you'll see more phenomena

835
00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:03,140
when you're looking in two different

836
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:06,120
spectra of light in visible light and an

837
00:38:12,350 --> 00:38:09,090
infrared light both concurrently

838
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,360
you've expanded your your opportunities

839
00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:14,820
to pick up on some of the unusual stuff

840
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:16,230
that's out there and and it's surprising

841
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:17,910
to most of us I think how much and usual

842
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:19,560
stuff does populate the night sky and

843
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:20,310
that's one of the things I enjoy

844
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:21,990
particularly this time here this is the

845
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:23,670
season to be out you know we have the

846
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,910
warm nights and so on this is the season

847
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,140
typically where I'm out in the field

848
00:38:33,350 --> 00:38:31,140
somewhere studying this guy's hoping to

849
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,360
get some exciting footage and and to

850
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:35,760
maybe grow my understanding a little bit

851
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:38,220
more about what's happening in in the

852
00:38:42,860 --> 00:38:40,920
contact arena in the direct in a direct

853
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:42,870
way I'm I'm generally very hands-on I I

854
00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:44,970
like research that I can evaluate and

855
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:46,830
measure and so I I've picked these

856
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:49,020
subject areas that I can I can tinker

857
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:50,700
with and make my own cadet my own

858
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:52,920
experiments and it's been very

859
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:55,430
productive time again since I became

860
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,520
known publicly in 15 odd years ago I've

861
00:39:02,570 --> 00:39:00,960
produced a lot of groundbreaking

862
00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:02,580
research of the audio studies

863
00:39:07,060 --> 00:39:04,920
photographic and video and all of it is

864
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:07,070
finding an audience and finding its way

865
00:39:13,070 --> 00:39:10,110
you know with social media this I think

866
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:13,080
I I think I have a good a good catalog

867
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:15,000
of independent research as well as some

868
00:39:19,070 --> 00:39:17,400
some perspectives on some of the

869
00:39:20,330 --> 00:39:19,080
contemporary issues of the day that

870
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:20,340
people people are discussing whether

871
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:21,060
it's disclosure

872
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:23,970
Exopolitics or other related questions

873
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,210
to the UFO phenomena now I've been out

874
00:39:32,090 --> 00:39:29,760
there a few times and you don't have a

875
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:32,100
lot of clear skies out there is there a

876
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:34,710
season like this time of year is it is

877
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:36,570
it clear a lot more than other times a

878
00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:38,700
year summers in Vancouver can be

879
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:40,350
exceptionally good this being in a

880
00:39:43,580 --> 00:39:42,090
warmer year than most we've had more

881
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:43,590
hours of sunshine I think than we would

882
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:46,350
normally get we got it we had it early

883
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:47,490
in the season so for the Vancouver

884
00:39:52,850 --> 00:39:50,910
Fraser Valley region the crops have been

885
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:52,860
triggered due to the excessive sunshine

886
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:54,900
they started coming up maturing two

887
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:57,570
weeks early so our harvest seasons have

888
00:40:03,140 --> 00:40:01,380
somewhat been skewed because they they

889
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,150
can't pick the crops fast enough to get

890
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:05,520
them up to get them out to market and so

891
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:08,490
on so that there's an indication of how

892
00:40:12,260 --> 00:40:09,810
much blue sky time we've had this year

893
00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:12,270
although I live in where I live is a

894
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:14,760
rain forest and so we do have excessive

895
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:16,920
dark sky conditions I'm meaning that

896
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:19,110
we're under cloud or rain for a

897
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:21,000
considerable time of year many Canadians

898
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:22,320
or famous as Snowbird

899
00:40:28,610 --> 00:40:25,950
who flee the Canadian winter and to find

900
00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:28,620
sunnier climates - if only for the sake

901
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:31,470
of their mental health but Vancouver

902
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:34,050
does have a long-standing reputation and

903
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,920
I can cite Dorothy aizen's as someone

904
00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:39,680
who had filmed 30,000 feet of

905
00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:42,030
8-millimeter footage a beautiful

906
00:40:46,270 --> 00:40:43,830
phenomena that was investigated by local

907
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:46,280
university professors and was widely

908
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:49,290
disseminated through US media back in

909
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:51,930
the 1980s there's many many paranormal

910
00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:53,880
and ufo-related shows from that time

911
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:55,830
some of them are on YouTube you can walk

912
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:57,330
you can go back to the way back there

913
00:41:01,460 --> 00:40:59,700
and and see how much media coverage

914
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:01,470
there was of Dorothy Isaac's UFOs and

915
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:04,020
this is a housewife who simply had a

916
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:05,820
personal camera that she took out on her

917
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:08,880
back deck remember yep in Vancouver and

918
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:10,980
she got film after film with unusual

919
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:12,870
things and she eventually published a

920
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:15,060
book I went to the book launch after

921
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:16,530
that goober planetarium and I asked a

922
00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:18,450
question from the audience about you

923
00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:19,590
know what are the mechanics of setting

924
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:22,590
up contact and she she presented it that

925
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,210
it was as easy as just participating

926
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:25,920
that if you had the desire for something

927
00:41:29,540 --> 00:41:27,780
to happen that it could manifest this

928
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:29,550
way and the people should not be

929
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:31,320
inhibited around exploring these

930
00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:33,210
questions in their own personal way as

931
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:35,190
well as you know trying to support the

932
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,570
the organized efforts that are out there

933
00:41:41,090 --> 00:41:39,060
as well okay if you're listening live

934
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:41,100
we're on with John Kelly and you can

935
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:44,850
dial in if you'd like at 6:03 nine six

936
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:47,370
seven four zero three oh and if you'd

937
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,140
like to ask a question on the chat room

938
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:52,200
that's right at podcast UFO comm you

939
00:41:58,070 --> 00:41:54,180
mentioned earlier just a minute ago

940
00:42:00,670 --> 00:41:58,080
they're about how the psychic phenomenon

941
00:42:03,530 --> 00:42:00,680
can or there's some type of psychic

942
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:03,540
relationship and I was up just a couple

943
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:06,330
weeks ago I was down in Maryland I did a

944
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:08,910
live show down there with an old-time

945
00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:11,550
researcher ray Stanford and he was

946
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:15,150
saying he used to get what he called UFO

947
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:17,910
topia like he could feel like he was

948
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:20,250
going to have a sighting and he felt

949
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:22,980
like upbeat and he just knew it was

950
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:26,520
going to happen and that person that

951
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:29,310
meant and pay stanford has had so many

952
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:31,140
sightings he wouldn't tell me exactly

953
00:42:35,620 --> 00:42:33,510
how many but i know that you've had a

954
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:35,630
lot of sightings as well and

955
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:38,569
so it it is really strange to me and I'd

956
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:41,920
like to explore the your thoughts on why

957
00:42:47,650 --> 00:42:44,720
certain people you know you always think

958
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:47,660
of UFO hot spots but secondly like this

959
00:42:52,509 --> 00:42:50,690
woman on the back deck of her at her

960
00:42:55,450 --> 00:42:52,519
house filming all this footage and other

961
00:42:58,450 --> 00:42:55,460
people who have an idea like the next

962
00:42:59,950 --> 00:42:58,460
day to go out and set up their camera

963
00:43:01,599 --> 00:42:59,960
because they're going to have a sighting

964
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:01,609
I remember you talked about that last

965
00:43:11,529 --> 00:43:05,599
time so how do you suppose this actually

966
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:11,539
happens what's your thoughts I I have

967
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:13,729
you know it's an enormous topic but it

968
00:43:24,489 --> 00:43:19,249
but essentially the premise that I start

969
00:43:28,089 --> 00:43:24,499
from is that human beings are born with

970
00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:28,099
a existing psychic nature as to whether

971
00:43:33,130 --> 00:43:31,670
it is dormant or active within them as

972
00:43:35,319 --> 00:43:33,140
part of their day to day experience it

973
00:43:37,329 --> 00:43:35,329
could be could vary from individual to

974
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:37,339
individual but I think there is

975
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:41,390
certainly some some conception that in

976
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:43,670
Stone Age cultures the time certainly in

977
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:45,890
the times of all of our ancestors that

978
00:43:51,729 --> 00:43:48,950
the burden on human intuition was very

979
00:43:54,339 --> 00:43:51,739
great in order for survival and

980
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:54,349
continuity of the species so people

981
00:43:59,380 --> 00:43:56,930
living under intense pressure not in

982
00:44:00,180 --> 00:43:59,390
high-tech societies but under Stone Age

983
00:44:02,410 --> 00:44:00,190
conditions

984
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:02,420
we're compelled to use their minds and

985
00:44:07,809 --> 00:44:04,910
expand their mental reach in order to

986
00:44:09,849 --> 00:44:07,819
survive living in the forest and so I

987
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:09,859
think that there's an element of the

988
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:12,529
archaic within us our ancestors were may

989
00:44:17,499 --> 00:44:15,130
have may have been more intuitively

990
00:44:20,049 --> 00:44:17,509
developed or active than them that

991
00:44:22,209 --> 00:44:20,059
people technologically enabled people of

992
00:44:25,029 --> 00:44:22,219
the present time convenience oriented

993
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:25,039
people and so on so I think we are we

994
00:44:28,329 --> 00:44:25,940
are tapping into something inherent

995
00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:28,339
within our potential rather than some

996
00:44:33,819 --> 00:44:31,430
new invention manifesting in the 21st

997
00:44:36,789 --> 00:44:33,829
century so to speak as you said our

998
00:44:38,709 --> 00:44:36,799
legacy contactees and there are many

999
00:44:41,319 --> 00:44:38,719
different opinions about about reports

1000
00:44:42,849 --> 00:44:41,329
of the past and the personalities the

1001
00:44:45,729 --> 00:44:42,859
many personalities who've reported UFO

1002
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:45,739
contact but one of the lingering threads

1003
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:48,770
backed through Adamski and others

1004
00:44:53,890 --> 00:44:51,710
is the telepathic contact it's one of

1005
00:44:57,060 --> 00:44:53,900
the lingering threats and it persists

1006
00:44:59,830 --> 00:44:57,070
today today I'm in contact with

1007
00:45:02,950 --> 00:44:59,840
videographers who report intensive

1008
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:02,960
interdimensional contact as a part of

1009
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:05,480
their familiar with in which the

1010
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:08,090
videography occurs in other words if

1011
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:08,930
they weren't having all those

1012
00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:11,630
out-of-body travel they may also not be

1013
00:45:14,860 --> 00:45:13,160
the videographer who shows up with all

1014
00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:14,870
these different kinds of flying saucers

1015
00:45:21,630 --> 00:45:17,470
and other things in their footage so

1016
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:21,640
what what is happening I believe is that

1017
00:45:28,450 --> 00:45:25,490
viewed from my perspective the contact

1018
00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:28,460
experience is is offering an opportunity

1019
00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:31,880
for us for human beings to get in touch

1020
00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:34,190
with our own psychic nature and come to

1021
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:36,200
reconcile that and perhaps at the same

1022
00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:39,710
time to observe that our the cultural

1023
00:45:44,650 --> 00:45:42,440
environment within which we live the you

1024
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:44,660
know just as we say we understand that

1025
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:47,030
there are minority niche minority

1026
00:45:50,650 --> 00:45:48,560
audiences interested in these types of

1027
00:45:51,850 --> 00:45:50,660
research fields and well even those who

1028
00:45:53,230 --> 00:45:51,860
have serious interests in these

1029
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:53,240
questions not simply is some sort of

1030
00:46:00,430 --> 00:45:57,890
entertainment the the our culture the

1031
00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:00,440
mainstream culture here is still is an

1032
00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:02,270
adversary offers an adversarial

1033
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:04,190
environment for many of these kinds of

1034
00:46:13,090 --> 00:46:08,630
questions and so this this this kind of

1035
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:13,100
irony manifests in a in a context at

1036
00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:15,170
scenario we begin to get it begin to

1037
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:17,840
become aware of our predominant psychic

1038
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:20,450
nature and then we then we begin to see

1039
00:46:23,890 --> 00:46:22,070
the rest of our lives in this context

1040
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:23,900
that we are we living in harmony with

1041
00:46:28,750 --> 00:46:27,650
our own innate sense of being and are we

1042
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:28,760
living in harmony with the environment

1043
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:31,310
as an expansion to that question of the

1044
00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:32,330
in your environment and the outer

1045
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:34,670
environment are questions about these

1046
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:36,770
things are awakened through the contact

1047
00:46:42,990 --> 00:46:39,410
experience so it just just as a natural

1048
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,000
form of awareness people may for example

1049
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:45,920
have persistent dreams in relationship

1050
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:48,350
to physical events they may have dreams

1051
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,180
about contact or further or deeper

1052
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:52,960
levels of contact like being on board

1053
00:46:58,180 --> 00:46:55,310
spaceships and having face-to-face time

1054
00:47:00,040 --> 00:46:58,190
with extraterrestrials in a timeline

1055
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:00,050
wherein they're also seeing objects in

1056
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:02,210
the sky or filming them or being part of

1057
00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:04,490
sighting events in different ways

1058
00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:08,750
the psychic urges can manifest along the

1059
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:11,060
timeline either in ways that are in

1060
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:14,390
series sequentially with physical events

1061
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:16,730
or concurrently with visual physical

1062
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:19,730
events or even anticipating the physical

1063
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:21,050
events and this is where we get into the

1064
00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:23,180
area where we say there are people who

1065
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,000
appear to be able to anticipate

1066
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:27,200
beautiful contact and set up there so

1067
00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:28,310
much so that they can set up their

1068
00:47:33,370 --> 00:47:30,740
camera equipment ahead of time and shoot

1069
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:33,380
stable footage during the entire event I

1070
00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:36,650
think that's significant so this this

1071
00:47:39,820 --> 00:47:38,270
disappears to manifest and I don't

1072
00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:39,830
suggest that this is manifesting with a

1073
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:41,000
hundred percent of the population

1074
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:42,470
because I've talked to numerous

1075
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,990
individuals over the years who produced

1076
00:47:48,580 --> 00:47:46,640
what I would consider a very profound

1077
00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:48,590
footage at the same time who've not

1078
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:50,990
really reported that these psychic

1079
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:52,310
dimensions were really something that

1080
00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:53,690
were prominent in their contact

1081
00:47:57,610 --> 00:47:56,420
experiences although although someone in

1082
00:48:00,460 --> 00:47:57,620
the family may be having dreams about

1083
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,470
abductions or being on board spaceships

1084
00:48:04,780 --> 00:48:02,240
it didn't seem it didn't seem to have

1085
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:04,790
such direct transparency as in other

1086
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:06,530
cases where people are saying you know

1087
00:48:10,450 --> 00:48:08,510
the night before I had a dream where my

1088
00:48:12,130 --> 00:48:10,460
spirit guide the extra-terrestrial was

1089
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:12,140
telling me to set up my camera so the

1090
00:48:14,830 --> 00:48:13,400
next one I said on my camera and I

1091
00:48:18,370 --> 00:48:14,840
recorded the UFO I mean that's a very

1092
00:48:21,490 --> 00:48:18,380
direct linear relationship between those

1093
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:21,500
events so I'm excited that this

1094
00:48:27,220 --> 00:48:24,290
population I don't know if it's cultural

1095
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:27,230
creatives or Generation X's or you know

1096
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:29,900
how we could define this this community

1097
00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:32,450
that seems to exist but there appears to

1098
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:34,760
be psychically active participants in

1099
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,530
UFO contacts all in different parts of

1100
00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:38,240
the world and they are becoming more

1101
00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:39,320
visible and prominent they're

1102
00:48:44,350 --> 00:48:41,180
self-publishing they're using social

1103
00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:44,360
media to get their experiences out into

1104
00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:47,180
public discussion and I see this as this

1105
00:48:56,860 --> 00:48:52,300
emergent contactee population will be

1106
00:49:00,100 --> 00:48:56,870
setting the setting the bar for ufology

1107
00:49:02,650 --> 00:49:00,110
and and research and theories to

1108
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:02,660
interpret the data to follow I see this

1109
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:04,970
emergent population as as the people

1110
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:07,970
that I hope to reach in in this window

1111
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:12,110
of time that we're in now I also

1112
00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:13,910
remember when we spoke before

1113
00:49:19,089 --> 00:49:16,760
you mentioned that it's ridiculous to

1114
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:19,099
think that if we're seeing a sighting of

1115
00:49:24,730 --> 00:49:21,890
the same craft for instance over in

1116
00:49:28,420 --> 00:49:24,740
Belgium when they had the triangle they

1117
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:28,430
kept seeing over and over again and the

1118
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:30,530
sightings of the same type of craft over

1119
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:31,970
and over again I think you said it was

1120
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:33,710
would be ridiculous to think that they

1121
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,240
would be going traveling you know the

1122
00:49:42,970 --> 00:49:39,440
light years back to wherever they are

1123
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:42,980
and back here again that's again you

1124
00:49:47,319 --> 00:49:45,380
know all this is speculation by anyone

1125
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,329
talking about the subject you know

1126
00:49:52,779 --> 00:49:49,280
whether they can bend space-time and

1127
00:49:55,210 --> 00:49:52,789
travel instantly or but your thoughts

1128
00:49:57,130 --> 00:49:55,220
were that they're here they're somewhere

1129
00:50:00,010 --> 00:49:57,140
near here weren't they isn't that what

1130
00:50:01,450 --> 00:50:00,020
you that's what you said back I believe

1131
00:50:03,789 --> 00:50:01,460
back in 2012

1132
00:50:05,410 --> 00:50:03,799
I think it's obvious argument the idea

1133
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:05,420
that someone is going to travel a

1134
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:06,770
hundred thousand light years on a

1135
00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:09,049
commute to come here and for some

1136
00:50:14,829 --> 00:50:11,960
mysterious mission and be seen by the

1137
00:50:15,339 --> 00:50:14,839
population it's it seemed kind of a

1138
00:50:17,710 --> 00:50:15,349
stretch

1139
00:50:19,779 --> 00:50:17,720
what what what what I'm possibly more

1140
00:50:22,359 --> 00:50:19,789
open to is this idea of dimensions that

1141
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:22,369
maybe you know parallel and just you

1142
00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:24,950
know one wavelength out from ours and

1143
00:50:30,779 --> 00:50:27,470
creating a sort of instant proximity

1144
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:30,789
that may also help to interpret

1145
00:50:36,839 --> 00:50:34,210
instrumental evidence that shows UFOs

1146
00:50:39,549 --> 00:50:36,849
manifesting and D manifesting mm-hmm

1147
00:50:42,789 --> 00:50:39,559
that that kind of behavior is suggestive

1148
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:42,799
of with some people in science is called

1149
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:44,150
a quantum condensates

1150
00:50:50,769 --> 00:50:46,900
but beyond the thoughts of what material

1151
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:50,779
properties make we may explain these

1152
00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:53,210
manifestation demonstration phenomena is

1153
00:50:58,269 --> 00:50:56,270
is transit between dimensions and it's

1154
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,279
interesting to note in parallel to this

1155
00:51:05,049 --> 00:51:00,559
discussion is that a 1947 document it

1156
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:05,059
remains hosted on the fbi.gov website in

1157
00:51:09,789 --> 00:51:07,010
which it describes the origins of the

1158
00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:09,799
ufos and their occupants as what as the

1159
00:51:18,010 --> 00:51:13,460
sanskrit term locus l o ka s as the

1160
00:51:20,740 --> 00:51:18,020
romanized Sanskrit shloka in scranton

1161
00:51:24,730 --> 00:51:20,750
Sanskrit philosophy this is archaic

1162
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:24,740
classical South Asian philosophy lokah

1163
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:27,190
is is a dimension in the mind of God

1164
00:51:31,950 --> 00:51:29,290
so so this document hosted on the

1165
00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:31,960
fbi.gov website that says the UFOs are

1166
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:34,270
coming from the locust this is a 1947

1167
00:51:38,359 --> 00:51:36,190
opinion they host it's hosted there

1168
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:38,369
today it suggests that there's

1169
00:51:42,690 --> 00:51:40,329
dimensional concepts that are invoked

1170
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,700
not unrelated to concepts that were

1171
00:51:46,050 --> 00:51:44,079
being discussed in Sanskrit literature

1172
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:46,060
for thousands of years in the past where

1173
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:48,130
people had concepts of parallel

1174
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:50,950
civilizations sharing this environment

1175
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:53,050
and that there was an integration and a

1176
00:51:59,550 --> 00:51:57,490
flow between the human the human dramas

1177
00:52:02,670 --> 00:51:59,560
and the dramas taking place in the other

1178
00:52:04,589 --> 00:52:02,680
worlds or kingdoms so to speak and that

1179
00:52:07,710 --> 00:52:04,599
sometimes there was commerce between the

1180
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:07,720
kingdoms or dimensions and worlds people

1181
00:52:11,819 --> 00:52:09,910
moved from place to place people had

1182
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:11,829
struggles and difficulties sometimes

1183
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:13,900
people and entities killed each other

1184
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:15,490
that is described in those in that

1185
00:52:22,829 --> 00:52:17,230
literature so the the Sanskrit

1186
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:22,839
literature as we know from dr.

1187
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,089
Oppenheimer's concerns regarding

1188
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:27,280
becoming gods at the time of the the

1189
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:29,130
Atomic Age

1190
00:52:36,450 --> 00:52:33,040
in which he is said to have quoted the

1191
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:36,460
the Gita and Krishna Krishna the the

1192
00:52:41,339 --> 00:52:38,200
great speaker the Gita is talking about

1193
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:41,349
all these divine properties and it was

1194
00:52:44,819 --> 00:52:42,640
interpreted by the scientists of the

1195
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:44,829
time robert Oppenheimer being the most

1196
00:52:49,890 --> 00:52:47,950
prominent of them that humanity had

1197
00:52:51,630 --> 00:52:49,900
acquired the power you know the power of

1198
00:52:53,130 --> 00:52:51,640
the universe like we were we have done

1199
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:53,140
we could create the heat of the Sun on

1200
00:52:59,309 --> 00:52:56,040
the earth on demand by exploding nuclear

1201
00:53:02,579 --> 00:52:59,319
materials so the scientific community in

1202
00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:02,589
other words was very serious about the

1203
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:04,270
ideas found in Sanskrit literature is is

1204
00:53:09,660 --> 00:53:07,569
not this is not an abstract notion to

1205
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:09,670
scientists like dr. Robert Oppenheimer's

1206
00:53:15,089 --> 00:53:11,170
like you know one of the fathers of the

1207
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:15,099
Atomic Age so I say that there is there

1208
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,050
was a lot that we can test and measure

1209
00:53:22,109 --> 00:53:20,079
in the Sanskrit spiritual science that's

1210
00:53:24,510 --> 00:53:22,119
presented through texts like the Gita's

1211
00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:24,520
or through direct transmission from

1212
00:53:29,370 --> 00:53:27,480
teachers in in Tantra yoga and other

1213
00:53:32,130 --> 00:53:29,380
archaic traditions that are still alive

1214
00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:32,140
today people can still study those

1215
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:33,400
practices and I'm one of the people who

1216
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:35,290
infected personally studies those

1217
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:37,270
practices and produced a lot of

1218
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,190
instrumental

1219
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,680
material through photography there's

1220
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:43,440
related some studies is quite unique

1221
00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:46,570
people who are my friends on Facebook

1222
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:48,580
see a number of those photos up there we

1223
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:50,770
is radio so I can really show you a

1224
00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:54,010
photo on the air but to say that I have

1225
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:55,540
a deep investment in those practices and

1226
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,850
studies and it's it's the is the

1227
00:54:01,620 --> 00:54:00,160
foundational work from which I see these

1228
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:01,630
events in other words I bring a yoga

1229
00:54:07,650 --> 00:54:05,160
Yogi's view to the UFO contact question

1230
00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:07,660
to some somewhere participating in your

1231
00:54:12,270 --> 00:54:09,400
for contact and extraterrestrial contact

1232
00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:12,280
questions to there's a sense of absolute

1233
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:16,860
outcomes being maybe diplomacy or

1234
00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:19,450
cultural exchanges or you know time on

1235
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:21,670
spaceships and other sort of measurables

1236
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:24,010
many claimants like my billy meier for

1237
00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:25,330
example claimed to have been on

1238
00:54:30,090 --> 00:54:26,950
spaceships taking pictures outside the

1239
00:54:32,340 --> 00:54:30,100
windows and such so that that is seen as

1240
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:32,350
sort of in the UFO contact timeline that

1241
00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:34,440
is seen by some as as an outcome of

1242
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:36,070
participating in this you know if I go

1243
00:54:39,870 --> 00:54:38,410
looking for UFOs it surely means it down

1244
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:39,880
the road I'll be up there you know

1245
00:54:44,610 --> 00:54:41,650
talking to Captain Kirk or somebody

1246
00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:44,620
right but from from my perspective from

1247
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:46,870
the yogic perspective really the UFO

1248
00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:48,490
contact is something that happens along

1249
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:51,220
it happens along the way but it doesn't

1250
00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:52,900
serve as a final outcome unto itself I

1251
00:54:57,780 --> 00:54:55,030
may or may not be interested in becoming

1252
00:54:59,700 --> 00:54:57,790
an ambassador for other civilizations I

1253
00:55:01,290 --> 00:54:59,710
may or may not be interested in spending

1254
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:01,300
time with spaceships I mean I may have a

1255
00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:02,470
lot of things to do right here in the

1256
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:04,750
city you know so the whole evening on

1257
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:07,510
subspace spaceships so I'm not

1258
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:11,050
necessarily identifying very strongly

1259
00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:12,610
with those outcomes which maybe is a

1260
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:14,260
little different considering the hours I

1261
00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:16,180
have invested in other words in contact

1262
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:18,580
and documentation it seems it may seem a

1263
00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:19,810
little odd that I'm really not pushing

1264
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,700
oh you know we need to get on the

1265
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:23,920
spaceships and go to some other planet

1266
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:24,730
or something like that I'm not really

1267
00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:27,760
pushing that kind of initiative III see

1268
00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:29,140
it as more it's educational opportunity

1269
00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:31,990
I see it more more directly and

1270
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:33,670
immediately relating to psychic

1271
00:55:37,260 --> 00:55:35,650
development and awakening of

1272
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:37,270
consciousness within the individuals as

1273
00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:40,570
a platform for the expanded

1274
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:43,600
consciousness and I think that is

1275
00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:44,770
something that's immediate I think that

1276
00:55:49,260 --> 00:55:46,150
people can have break through

1277
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:49,270
psychological breakthroughs about sense

1278
00:55:52,590 --> 00:55:51,010
of limitations about human behavior and

1279
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,600
human potential

1280
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:54,400
through participating in these events

1281
00:55:58,830 --> 00:55:55,930
where people are beginning to

1282
00:56:01,350 --> 00:55:58,840
demonstrate precognition and other kinds

1283
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:01,360
of advanced behavioral performance then

1284
00:56:04,170 --> 00:56:02,290
I think that that is really

1285
00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:04,180
consciousness expanding and I think it

1286
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,630
is it is as a way to participate in the

1287
00:56:11,820 --> 00:56:10,000
evolution of those species these are the

1288
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:11,830
kinds of visions that I bring it's it's

1289
00:56:15,180 --> 00:56:13,240
all about the consciousness at the end

1290
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:15,190
of the day I have a lot of instrumental

1291
00:56:18,330 --> 00:56:16,810
evidence and I've got a lot of hours in

1292
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:18,340
the field but at the end of the day it's

1293
00:56:21,870 --> 00:56:20,590
a state of mind and what we've learned

1294
00:56:23,730 --> 00:56:21,880
about ourselves the reflections that

1295
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:23,740
occur within our minds as a consequence

1296
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:25,810
of these events I think is is really the

1297
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:28,930
big takeaway every time I bring up in

1298
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:32,350
one of these shows the possibility of

1299
00:56:38,550 --> 00:56:35,200
interdimensional or you know dimensional

1300
00:56:42,090 --> 00:56:38,560
or Time Traveller's or whatever other

1301
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:42,100
than the extra-terrestrial you know idea

1302
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:44,890
of the whole situation I get I get email

1303
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:50,530
but you know do you consider to to

1304
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:54,850
theorise your own thoughts are your own

1305
00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:56,890
thoughts that these are more of

1306
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:00,300
inter-dimensional than extraterrestrial

1307
00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:07,200
well those are two widely used terms I

1308
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:09,790
you know in producing footage I don't

1309
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:13,510
have I don't have like some my footage

1310
00:57:16,590 --> 00:57:15,190
and experiences don't meet a lot of

1311
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:16,600
standards in other words I don't have

1312
00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:19,290
vehicle registration codes I don't have

1313
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:22,750
pilots licenses I don't have in cockpit

1314
00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:27,130
footage so I can I may have a sense of

1315
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:29,950
of who's up there but I don't have a lot

1316
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:32,530
of bona fides you know to show you an

1317
00:57:39,090 --> 00:57:34,930
you know documentation from that from

1318
00:57:40,740 --> 00:57:39,100
their embassy or whatever right in other

1319
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,750
words just get this kind of

1320
00:57:44,580 --> 00:57:42,400
differentiation and I think this is an

1321
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:44,590
important part of my research approach

1322
00:57:51,330 --> 00:57:48,630
is that these discreet questions don't

1323
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:51,340
necessarily hold a lot of water in my

1324
00:57:59,780 --> 00:57:54,510
world because at the time of recording

1325
00:58:02,250 --> 00:57:59,790
it's inconsequential to me as to the

1326
00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:02,260
absolute origins of the subject that I'm

1327
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:05,020
filming you know if they if they if they

1328
00:58:07,890 --> 00:58:06,130
are let's

1329
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:07,900
in possession of dimension shifting

1330
00:58:13,049 --> 00:58:10,210
technology there's reasons to believe

1331
00:58:14,609 --> 00:58:13,059
that that's going on or they're just

1332
00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:14,619
traveling so fast you can't when they

1333
00:58:18,509 --> 00:58:16,750
take off you can't see them but both

1334
00:58:20,970 --> 00:58:18,519
those possibilities exist there's limits

1335
00:58:23,339 --> 00:58:20,980
on the technology I have disposed to

1336
00:58:27,509 --> 00:58:23,349
produce those kinds of measurements but

1337
00:58:29,220 --> 00:58:27,519
also again I have limited personal

1338
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:29,230
investment in trying to figure out these

1339
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:31,450
are the Romulans or the drama dents I

1340
00:58:36,539 --> 00:58:34,930
mean my research doesn't attempt to

1341
00:58:38,999 --> 00:58:36,549
answer those questions in this way I'm

1342
00:58:40,769 --> 00:58:39,009
sort of I'm very vague you see while I'm

1343
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:40,779
producing all this contract concrete

1344
00:58:44,999 --> 00:58:43,119
material evidence that's based is

1345
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:45,009
instrumental based rather than opinion

1346
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:49,569
based at the same time I I don't care

1347
00:58:52,740 --> 00:58:51,730
who triggers the awaken consciousness as

1348
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:52,750
long as the awakened consciousness

1349
00:58:58,529 --> 00:58:55,049
manifests as a consequence of those

1350
00:59:01,980 --> 00:58:58,539
encounters so it could be the Raelians

1351
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:01,990
or it could be the plea Asians I mean I

1352
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:04,690
just don't have any investment in those

1353
00:59:11,069 --> 00:59:08,710
questions so much so but I am able to

1354
00:59:13,410 --> 00:59:11,079
cite the FBI's website and that document

1355
00:59:14,910 --> 00:59:13,420
that talks about locusts and UFOs I mean

1356
00:59:17,309 --> 00:59:14,920
they're hosting the document on their

1357
00:59:19,289 --> 00:59:17,319
site that must have had some currency in

1358
00:59:22,759 --> 00:59:19,299
that organization at some time it's

1359
00:59:25,529 --> 00:59:22,769
still on the site yeah pretty amazing

1360
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:25,539
okay that's it for our one we're heading

1361
00:59:30,779 --> 00:59:28,089
into our - and if you're listening you

1362
00:59:33,059 --> 00:59:30,789
are a supporter and I really appreciate

1363
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:33,069
that thank you for supporting the show

1364
00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:34,930
and we're gonna get into all types of

1365
01:00:23,030 --> 00:59:38,980
interesting topics in our - here hang on

1366
01:00:28,980 --> 01:00:26,520
okay we're on live with John Kelly again

1367
01:00:33,150 --> 01:00:28,990
you can call in and that number six zero

1368
01:00:35,310 --> 01:00:33,160
three nine six seven four o3o or you can

1369
01:00:38,910 --> 01:00:35,320
jump in the chatroom and that's at

1370
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:38,920
podcast UFO comm and this hour I would

1371
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:42,370
like to talk a little bit about the

1372
01:00:49,410 --> 01:00:46,410
Marfa lights and amount Abrams and and

1373
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:49,420
because I think if I I looked at some of

1374
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:51,850
your videos and use you have spent I

1375
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:55,500
believe it is five years looking into

1376
01:01:01,050 --> 01:00:58,450
Mount Abraham's and that's where Kenneth

1377
01:01:03,210 --> 01:01:01,060
Arnold had his sighting the deciding

1378
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:03,220
between Rainier and Adams in South

1379
01:01:07,590 --> 01:01:04,810
Central Washington State is the location

1380
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:07,600
where I've been to murus seasons filming

1381
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:10,330
and five years of documentation I was

1382
01:01:16,530 --> 01:01:14,290
able to pull from that location so yeah

1383
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:16,540
I I put a lot of time in the field I I

1384
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:18,730
saw myself I had reasons to believe that

1385
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:20,610
I would succeed somehow I be able to

1386
01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:23,710
gain new footage and I would be able to

1387
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:26,740
innovate in areas like the use of three

1388
01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:29,650
ccd camera systems and in using digital

1389
01:01:38,580 --> 01:01:32,950
night vision so I had several

1390
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:38,590
opportunities one of which led me to

1391
01:01:43,770 --> 01:01:40,990
Marfa Texas and West Texas filming out

1392
01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:43,780
in the desert so we can start with Marfa

1393
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:46,300
and and and sort of you know go wind our

1394
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:50,160
way back up here to the northwest what

1395
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:53,170
what happened was I I ended up on a road

1396
01:01:56,550 --> 01:01:54,310
trip across the southern United States

1397
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,560
in 2010 and in the later part of the

1398
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,720
year during the fall when it wasn't as

1399
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:00,880
you know the depressing heat wasn't as

1400
01:02:07,860 --> 01:02:03,520
great out in the desert and I traveled

1401
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:07,870
between Roswell New Mexico and southern

1402
01:02:11,970 --> 01:02:09,970
mississippi Jack Jackson Mississippi and

1403
01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:11,980
saw many sights and many interesting

1404
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:13,840
opportunities for filming I filmed a

1405
01:02:19,230 --> 01:02:16,210
very prominent daylight UFO over Dallas

1406
01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:19,240
at the Addison Airport on that trip and

1407
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:22,150
I had at the airport itself just yeah

1408
01:02:24,780 --> 01:02:23,290
like within a block or two of the

1409
01:02:28,830 --> 01:02:24,790
airport itself right right in that

1410
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:28,840
community space Wow and I you know and

1411
01:02:33,660 --> 01:02:31,570
and so to add weight to my discussion

1412
01:02:35,340 --> 01:02:33,670
earlier about psychic phenomena it just

1413
01:02:37,590 --> 01:02:35,350
so happened you see Martin that I was

1414
01:02:41,820 --> 01:02:37,600
wandering with my broadcast camera rig

1415
01:02:44,730 --> 01:02:41,830
assembled on a tripod wandering the

1416
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:44,740
streets when it happened you see yeah

1417
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:47,170
and so you know this is is if the story

1418
01:02:50,010 --> 01:02:48,640
is interesting from an from a number of

1419
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:50,020
different dimensions but but I have

1420
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:51,520
daylight color footage of this very

1421
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:53,770
interesting object that is perhaps

1422
01:02:56,970 --> 01:02:55,330
reflecting a lot of light but I think

1423
01:02:58,680 --> 01:02:56,980
the most important thing we can measure

1424
01:03:01,050 --> 01:02:58,690
from the footage is that it's it's

1425
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:01,060
stable like a rock up there it travels

1426
01:03:04,590 --> 01:03:02,710
in one direction at one speed

1427
01:03:06,930 --> 01:03:04,600
consistently for six minutes of footage

1428
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:06,940
and I stopped taping because I lose it

1429
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:10,900
behind a building but it was really

1430
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:13,450
interesting qualities to it and regional

1431
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:17,680
pilots and and air industry people who

1432
01:03:22,970 --> 01:03:20,170
looked at the footage in camera before

1433
01:03:24,750 --> 01:03:22,980
it was even dumped to an editing station

1434
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:24,760
concurred that they couldn't make any

1435
01:03:29,130 --> 01:03:26,170
sense out of it and they've been flying

1436
01:03:30,750 --> 01:03:29,140
for 20 years this this thing was really

1437
01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:30,760
interesting and unusual it occurred

1438
01:03:36,060 --> 01:03:33,400
concurrent with the flap in New York

1439
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:36,070
that was predicted by a Canadian NORAD

1440
01:03:42,270 --> 01:03:40,450
retired NORAD officer I try remember the

1441
01:03:43,890 --> 01:03:42,280
dude's name of Stanley Fulham I can't

1442
01:03:46,380 --> 01:03:43,900
remember that but that may be the name

1443
01:03:49,470 --> 01:03:46,390
but but I fell of a predictive major UFO

1444
01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:49,480
events over world's cities like Moscow

1445
01:03:54,450 --> 01:03:52,030
New York etc and what did manifest of

1446
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:54,460
what on that day that this fellow wrote

1447
01:03:59,040 --> 01:03:57,250
in his book a year earlier was exciting

1448
01:04:03,390 --> 01:03:59,050
over New York that was widely covered in

1449
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:03,400
the the the broadcast television and so

1450
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:05,710
within that that day it was October 15

1451
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:09,280
2010 I got my sighting with within one

1452
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:11,200
or two days 24 hours 48 hours of the New

1453
01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:12,910
York sightings as if it was part of that

1454
01:04:17,130 --> 01:04:14,710
flap and it was daylight sighting it's

1455
01:04:19,290 --> 01:04:17,140
quite spectacular III revisit it in my

1456
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:19,300
many documentaries because it is such

1457
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,370
interesting color footage and because

1458
01:04:26,070 --> 01:04:23,760
it's the instrument was a three CCD

1459
01:04:29,550 --> 01:04:26,080
camera means it's triple sensors

1460
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:29,560
I had redundancy multiple sensors in one

1461
01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:33,010
camera system all three will not fail in

1462
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,270
the same way at the same time it's

1463
01:04:38,140 --> 01:04:36,880
highly improbable so we we brought that

1464
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,150
that whole it

1465
01:04:42,910 --> 01:04:40,400
venture met minimum standards of

1466
01:04:45,579 --> 01:04:42,920
redundancy minimum standards of data

1467
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:45,589
collection its color it's daylight it's

1468
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:47,089
it's an exciting piece of footage and

1469
01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:48,799
there are appearances in the footage as

1470
01:04:53,529 --> 01:04:51,230
if when I'm chanting in Sanskrit while

1471
01:04:55,180 --> 01:04:53,539
I'm taping that the UFOs flashing light

1472
01:04:58,089 --> 01:04:55,190
back like there was somebody by

1473
01:05:00,670 --> 01:04:58,099
direction illness in evident in the

1474
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:00,680
footage but but as I said before the

1475
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:03,049
whole premise of my being there ready to

1476
01:05:08,109 --> 01:05:06,799
tape and to get that quality imaging was

1477
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:08,119
that I was wandering the streets with my

1478
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:10,130
gear because I had a I had a sense that

1479
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:12,710
if I was ready something would occur and

1480
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:15,680
that that that you know reinforces this

1481
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:17,049
premise that I'm saying is that our

1482
01:05:23,260 --> 01:05:21,440
inherent breakthrough consciousness can

1483
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:23,270
be very active when we start to study

1484
01:05:28,839 --> 01:05:26,210
the UFO now is that footage available

1485
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,849
for anyone to look at and if so where

1486
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:30,559
would they find it my youtube channel

1487
01:05:34,990 --> 01:05:32,569
has a few different renderings of it

1488
01:05:36,670 --> 01:05:35,000
I like the better renderings are in my

1489
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:36,680
mini documentaries which are on news

1490
01:05:43,150 --> 01:05:40,640
inside out calm the title let's see oh

1491
01:05:45,490 --> 01:05:43,160
if you go even to my latest talk I gave

1492
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:45,500
a workshop here in the Lower Mainland

1493
01:05:50,740 --> 01:05:48,529
just the other week and the the title

1494
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,750
I'm just scrolling down here the trailer

1495
01:05:54,970 --> 01:05:52,640
was a journey to enter space 2015

1496
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:54,980
journey to inner space 2015 you can see

1497
01:05:59,380 --> 01:05:57,010
a little bit of that in the trailer and

1498
01:06:00,910 --> 01:05:59,390
folks who want to sign up can see the

1499
01:06:04,089 --> 01:06:00,920
whole documentary see the really nicely

1500
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:04,099
produced version of that of that footage

1501
01:06:07,930 --> 01:06:07,490
so news inside comets where you can find

1502
01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:07,940
that story

1503
01:06:12,130 --> 01:06:09,710
let's look up journey to inner space

1504
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:12,140
2015 you'll find it there and I will

1505
01:06:17,529 --> 01:06:13,520
continue to discuss that footage it's

1506
01:06:19,180 --> 01:06:17,539
it's fun when we have well we have

1507
01:06:21,339 --> 01:06:19,190
instrumental data we can play with it

1508
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:21,349
and tweak it and over the years we learn

1509
01:06:24,970 --> 01:06:22,640
how to better

1510
01:06:27,549 --> 01:06:24,980
edit and better work with the bring out

1511
01:06:29,859 --> 01:06:27,559
the qualities the footage so I can

1512
01:06:31,630 --> 01:06:29,869
revisit things like this and I enjoy

1513
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:31,640
very much revisiting the images and

1514
01:06:36,010 --> 01:06:33,200
trying to better understand what I'm

1515
01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:36,020
looking at it's it's a great opportunity

1516
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,510
for me to learn to be to be there you

1517
01:06:43,089 --> 01:06:40,640
know measuring what could be evidence of

1518
01:06:45,220 --> 01:06:43,099
other-dimensional or other planetary

1519
01:06:47,769 --> 01:06:45,230
civilizations that just happened to be

1520
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:47,779
you know flying over major US cities and

1521
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,240
so there I was that's October 15th and

1522
01:06:55,950 --> 01:06:52,160
within two weeks or so I was on

1523
01:07:00,850 --> 01:06:55,960
route to tomorrow fuh via Stephenville

1524
01:07:03,250 --> 01:07:00,860
and I had I had about five days layover

1525
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:03,260
about an hour outside of Stephenville

1526
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:05,090
and so I took it upon myself to do some

1527
01:07:09,580 --> 01:07:06,410
studies of the testimony the

1528
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:09,590
Stephenville witnesses mm-hmm and it was

1529
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:11,510
it was very interesting research and a

1530
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:13,520
couple of phone calls as a result of my

1531
01:07:18,070 --> 01:07:16,010
findings let got me into a meeting with

1532
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:18,080
one of the prominent witnesses and I got

1533
01:07:21,820 --> 01:07:20,090
to spend a night on some of the land

1534
01:07:23,950 --> 01:07:21,830
where some of the major events in

1535
01:07:25,740 --> 01:07:23,960
Stephenville happened and to do my own

1536
01:07:29,230 --> 01:07:25,750
taping so I was on-site in Stephenville

1537
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:29,240
with with the people who were who were

1538
01:07:33,580 --> 01:07:31,250
on the front lines of those events this

1539
01:07:35,950 --> 01:07:33,590
evening Vail incident is one of the

1540
01:07:39,490 --> 01:07:35,960
major UFO incidents in modern UFO

1541
01:07:42,010 --> 01:07:39,500
history a very very large object was

1542
01:07:45,370 --> 01:07:42,020
scanned on radar as approaching the bush

1543
01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:45,380
ranch the Western White House and it was

1544
01:07:50,980 --> 01:07:47,150
so they were all all levels of

1545
01:07:53,050 --> 01:07:50,990
government were awakened to this issue

1546
01:07:55,230 --> 01:07:53,060
as to what it's potentially meant with a

1547
01:07:58,570 --> 01:07:55,240
lot of military presence a lot of

1548
01:08:00,790 --> 01:07:58,580
interesting interesting social and

1549
01:08:03,310 --> 01:08:00,800
political situations arose around that

1550
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:03,320
but I I was on site and I met the people

1551
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,810
and went to the locations a lot of

1552
01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:07,520
fascinating things happened there was a

1553
01:08:11,590 --> 01:08:09,950
great experience and so that on route

1554
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:11,600
tomorrow if I stayed in Stephenville and

1555
01:08:18,370 --> 01:08:15,200
then I made my way to Marfa Marfa desert

1556
01:08:22,150 --> 01:08:18,380
and spent a few nights out in the region

1557
01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:22,160
very beautiful and stark naked beauty of

1558
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:23,900
the desert it's a it's a it's former

1559
01:08:28,330 --> 01:08:25,730
seabed as an ocean ancient ocean was

1560
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:28,340
once there and as we look out across the

1561
01:08:34,180 --> 01:08:31,010
desert not only are we able to see the

1562
01:08:37,090 --> 01:08:34,190
vehicle traffic along along the route to

1563
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:37,100
the Mexican border we're usually able to

1564
01:08:41,260 --> 01:08:38,480
distinguish that but there are other

1565
01:08:44,260 --> 01:08:41,270
phenomena happening other lights that

1566
01:08:45,310 --> 01:08:44,270
are not cars on the road and I got some

1567
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:45,320
of that footage

1568
01:08:48,970 --> 01:08:47,210
it's that footage that I have on my

1569
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:48,980
youtube channel and in my dock I discuss

1570
01:08:53,650 --> 01:08:50,810
and get depth in my documentary Marfa

1571
01:08:55,390 --> 01:08:53,660
reflections I was approached by a

1572
01:08:56,140 --> 01:08:55,400
production company for discovery on out

1573
01:08:59,140 --> 01:08:56,150
of New York

1574
01:09:01,420 --> 01:08:59,150
earlier this year who just were very

1575
01:09:03,670 --> 01:09:01,430
eager to get my foot you put it on the

1576
01:09:05,380 --> 01:09:03,680
air so I know that I have very very

1577
01:09:05,979 --> 01:09:05,390
compelling footage because I was

1578
01:09:08,410 --> 01:09:05,989
shooting with

1579
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:08,420
high sensitivity equipment the results

1580
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:09,920
are that you can see the desert and the

1581
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:11,690
lights in the same shot it's not like

1582
01:09:18,130 --> 01:09:13,730
all dark tout with a light in it it's

1583
01:09:20,890 --> 01:09:18,140
like full-frame illumination so I i

1584
01:09:23,530 --> 01:09:20,900
again i am i planning in the year in on

1585
01:09:25,059 --> 01:09:23,540
the wayback machine when I considered

1586
01:09:27,340 --> 01:09:25,069
that I would get involved in this I

1587
01:09:29,019 --> 01:09:27,350
invest I I chose wisely in terms of my

1588
01:09:33,099 --> 01:09:29,029
investment in gear so that I had the

1589
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:33,109
right gear and that it played up you

1590
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:34,250
know I had it when I had a chance to go

1591
01:09:37,090 --> 01:09:36,080
to exciting locations like that I had

1592
01:09:39,789 --> 01:09:37,100
the right equipment at the right time

1593
01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:39,799
and more on more than one occasion that

1594
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:41,630
worked very well for me so what I'm

1595
01:09:45,010 --> 01:09:43,250
using for my color camera that triple

1596
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:45,020
sensor camera is the ghost hunters

1597
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:46,850
camera if people are familiar with the

1598
01:09:50,499 --> 01:09:48,290
sci-fi channel on television and the

1599
01:09:51,940 --> 01:09:50,509
ghost hunters series all of the black

1600
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:51,950
and white night interviews that they

1601
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,290
shoot on the show are shot through the

1602
01:09:59,320 --> 01:09:56,239
same system so I picked up that piece of

1603
01:10:05,140 --> 01:09:59,330
equipment it's a industry-standard night

1604
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:05,150
camera the Panasonic a JDBC 30 which

1605
01:10:10,030 --> 01:10:06,890
people can acquire very inexpensively on

1606
01:10:12,370 --> 01:10:10,040
ebay now but it was very expensive at

1607
01:10:15,850 --> 01:10:12,380
the time I'm sure oh well it was it was

1608
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:15,860
you know it was priced it was priced to

1609
01:10:19,570 --> 01:10:17,510
sell to institutions it was because of

1610
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:19,580
its capacity as a portable surveillance

1611
01:10:23,950 --> 01:10:21,770
system the equivalent of us of a

1612
01:10:26,410 --> 01:10:23,960
wall-mounted surveillance unit it was

1613
01:10:29,290 --> 01:10:26,420
targeted for police agencies of the day

1614
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:29,300
and so you know it subsequently what's

1615
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,930
happened in the in the industry in terms

1616
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:34,640
of availability of camera systems is

1617
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:38,480
that features such as night shot that

1618
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:41,810
were widely used to market Sony cameras

1619
01:10:46,690 --> 01:10:45,230
of the 1990s you'll note that most most

1620
01:10:49,660 --> 01:10:46,700
of Sony's cameras don't offer that

1621
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:49,670
feature anymore the vendors have really

1622
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:52,640
turned down offering night visions type

1623
01:10:56,650 --> 01:10:54,890
surveillance systems that took the

1624
01:10:58,510 --> 01:10:56,660
consumer a prosumer marketplace they've

1625
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:58,520
really backed off on doing them most of

1626
01:11:02,740 --> 01:11:01,520
your HD cameras have these fall-off

1627
01:11:05,709 --> 01:11:02,750
thresholds where you trying to shoot the

1628
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:05,719
sunset and stuff like that and you get

1629
01:11:09,940 --> 01:11:07,610
you know a black frame with a dot and it

1630
01:11:13,630 --> 01:11:09,950
or something it's just that certain

1631
01:11:17,010 --> 01:11:13,640
luminous levels of illumination the

1632
01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:17,020
sensor gives up and

1633
01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:19,030
I avoided that problem by buying a

1634
01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:22,420
high-sensitivity camera but the vendors

1635
01:11:25,290 --> 01:11:23,800
have generally stopped making this kind

1636
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,300
of equipment because the the

1637
01:11:28,590 --> 01:11:27,280
government's of pressure the vendors

1638
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:28,600
saying we don't want to compete with the

1639
01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:31,810
public for night supremacy in terms of

1640
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:33,460
being able to see what's going on we

1641
01:11:37,050 --> 01:11:35,650
don't want them competing with us so you

1642
01:11:40,830 --> 01:11:37,060
guys have to stop selling this stuff and

1643
01:11:42,510 --> 01:11:40,840
that is Evan in the marketplace but I

1644
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:42,520
but I had the right equipment in Marfa

1645
01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:45,250
and I got great great shots and it was a

1646
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:47,020
wild adventure I mean the cold wind

1647
01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:48,580
blowing at night out there in you know

1648
01:11:52,650 --> 01:11:50,470
in the fall it's uh

1649
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:52,660
your skin will stretch to dry out and

1650
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:54,880
about half an hour's like take lots of

1651
01:11:58,230 --> 01:11:56,800
skin lotion if you're going out there

1652
01:12:03,450 --> 01:11:58,240
because the wind is really biting but

1653
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:03,460
what a super stark environment and a

1654
01:12:08,370 --> 01:12:06,250
great experience the million dollar

1655
01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:08,380
platform the viewing platform in Marfa

1656
01:12:13,470 --> 01:12:10,630
was in fact constructed using funds and

1657
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:13,480
resources not only from the the city but

1658
01:12:16,770 --> 01:12:15,070
from the federal government for the

1659
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:16,780
United States and Texas Department

1660
01:12:20,730 --> 01:12:19,150
highways were involved in that there's a

1661
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:20,740
lot of there is a lot of symbolism in

1662
01:12:25,770 --> 01:12:23,500
the construction of the of the platform

1663
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:25,780
in as much as it absolutely resembles a

1664
01:12:30,150 --> 01:12:28,840
pyramid with this top cut off so all you

1665
01:12:31,950 --> 01:12:30,160
have to do is pull out your satellite

1666
01:12:34,170 --> 01:12:31,960
image but I go through all the symbolism

1667
01:12:36,450 --> 01:12:34,180
that was architectural II laid into that

1668
01:12:38,340 --> 01:12:36,460
site to show its mystical designs and

1669
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:38,350
how the how your taxpayer dollars are

1670
01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:40,810
really funding a lot of us emailing

1671
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:43,630
Masonic initiatives in my Marfa

1672
01:12:47,970 --> 01:12:45,130
reflections mini documentary so people

1673
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:47,980
can watch that check that up so I ended

1674
01:12:51,450 --> 01:12:50,230
up in Marfa and on that trip across the

1675
01:12:52,710 --> 01:12:51,460
South I ended up there because of

1676
01:12:55,230 --> 01:12:52,720
connections that I made in Washington

1677
01:12:57,900 --> 01:12:55,240
and the time I spent in Washington up up

1678
01:12:59,760 --> 01:12:57,910
at Mount Adams the Rainier Adams area

1679
01:13:03,870 --> 01:12:59,770
was where Kenneth Arnold had his team as

1680
01:13:05,790 --> 01:13:03,880
flying saucers in the 1947 and a number

1681
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:05,800
of other well-known beautiful incidents

1682
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:08,110
happen in the Washington state in that

1683
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:10,570
period of time yeah before we move into

1684
01:13:16,050 --> 01:13:13,210
that I'd like to ask you a question are

1685
01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:16,060
what your thoughts on you have a

1686
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:18,190
situation like the Marfa lights and

1687
01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:20,770
they're repeating all the time you know

1688
01:13:27,780 --> 01:13:25,720
everybody it seems to go there to look

1689
01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:27,790
and they see something now when

1690
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:29,980
something is that prominent over

1691
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:32,110
over again doesn't it make you curious

1692
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:35,730
as to why someone doesn't study that

1693
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:39,730
scientifically to try to figure out what

1694
01:13:45,330 --> 01:13:43,300
exactly is going on well there may be

1695
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:45,340
more qualified researchers who have

1696
01:13:53,460 --> 01:13:49,020
already investigated there than I than I

1697
01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:53,470
but you know the simple street street

1698
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:55,510
credibility answer is that those people

1699
01:13:59,250 --> 01:13:56,970
will be laughed out of their

1700
01:14:01,620 --> 01:13:59,260
institutions if they applied their

1701
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:01,630
resources their professional resources

1702
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:03,250
and institutional resources these

1703
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:03,850
questions

1704
01:14:11,900 --> 01:14:06,850
it's called career suicide and economic

1705
01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:11,910
warfare is used to suppress discourse

1706
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:14,260
free thinking and so on we live in a

1707
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:16,120
society of relative freedoms not

1708
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:18,730
absolute freedoms by any means so this

1709
01:14:24,690 --> 01:14:21,610
is you know I I because I have I have no

1710
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:24,700
institutional affiliations I have no no

1711
01:14:30,420 --> 01:14:28,239
I have no tenure or any other kind of

1712
01:14:32,910 --> 01:14:30,430
contract binding me to silence and these

1713
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:32,920
questions I I enjoy a great liberty and

1714
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:35,200
discussing these things but I think it's

1715
01:14:41,820 --> 01:14:39,120
well known that more serious thinkers in

1716
01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:41,830
more esteemed institutions are looking

1717
01:14:45,450 --> 01:14:42,820
at these questions or have looked at

1718
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:45,460
these questions and do so under with

1719
01:14:50,670 --> 01:14:47,170
with a lot of accompanying political

1720
01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:50,680
pressures you know it's naive to think

1721
01:14:53,970 --> 01:14:52,510
that we can look at the UFO topic

1722
01:14:57,780 --> 01:14:53,980
without addressing the political

1723
01:15:00,810 --> 01:14:57,790
political issues and that is something

1724
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:00,820
that I I emphasize that the politics at

1725
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:02,650
the cultural environment the social

1726
01:15:05,460 --> 01:15:04,210
structure and all the things that are

1727
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:05,470
surrounding these experience are

1728
01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:07,450
important questions to examine if we're

1729
01:15:11,550 --> 01:15:08,950
going to look at beautiful question we

1730
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:11,560
can't look at one without the other we

1731
01:15:15,180 --> 01:15:13,480
you know we we published into a hostile

1732
01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:15,190
universe but we want to discuss these

1733
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:17,860
issues even my Vancouver UFO examiner

1734
01:15:24,330 --> 01:15:20,170
column which was widely syndicated on

1735
01:15:27,090 --> 01:15:24,340
USA Today Wall Street Journal I mean my

1736
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:27,100
content was was being read in in

1737
01:15:31,890 --> 01:15:29,110
newsrooms all over the english-speaking

1738
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:31,900
world and beyond and that column was

1739
01:15:36,540 --> 01:15:34,510
stripped off of the examiner.com website

1740
01:15:39,209 --> 01:15:36,550
they didn't just terminate the contract

1741
01:15:41,130 --> 01:15:39,219
and quote bar me from entry to continue

1742
01:15:43,109 --> 01:15:41,140
publishing and retained the content the

1743
01:15:44,879 --> 01:15:43,119
valuable content that was so widely read

1744
01:15:48,179 --> 01:15:44,889
that was appearing on all these other

1745
01:15:51,089 --> 01:15:48,189
news day and Florida today the Space

1746
01:15:52,739 --> 01:15:51,099
Coast newspaper I mean they stripped the

1747
01:15:55,679 --> 01:15:52,749
entire column off your site in an act of

1748
01:15:58,500 --> 01:15:55,689
unn you know

1749
01:16:00,659 --> 01:15:58,510
indescribable censorship the rawness of

1750
01:16:04,169 --> 01:16:00,669
what happened there was was shocking to

1751
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:04,179
me and that was in late 2014 no I had I

1752
01:16:08,939 --> 01:16:06,510
I was involved with examiner calm

1753
01:16:10,830 --> 01:16:08,949
subsequent to my role as a feature

1754
01:16:13,649 --> 01:16:10,840
producer for CBS radio and somebody who

1755
01:16:16,290 --> 01:16:13,659
had been all over BBC and Deutschland

1756
01:16:18,330 --> 01:16:16,300
radio Berlin for years prior doing

1757
01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:18,340
investigative research so I took the

1758
01:16:23,429 --> 01:16:20,590
liberty of continuing to do what I felt

1759
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:23,439
were culturally important stories that

1760
01:16:28,589 --> 01:16:26,070
may not be directly UFO related but

1761
01:16:31,799 --> 01:16:28,599
examiner found grounds to terminate in a

1762
01:16:33,509 --> 01:16:31,809
column of my Bill Cosby reporting and it

1763
01:16:36,750 --> 01:16:33,519
has subsequently been seen in the the

1764
01:16:39,629 --> 01:16:36,760
tide of public opinion Cosby has

1765
01:16:41,609 --> 01:16:39,639
certainly been vilified thoroughly and

1766
01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:41,619
my opinion of other questions are

1767
01:16:46,739 --> 01:16:44,289
surrounding that actress career we're

1768
01:16:48,989 --> 01:16:46,749
late on and clearly the feeling was that

1769
01:16:51,839 --> 01:16:48,999
it was in fact the operation Mockingbird

1770
01:16:54,089 --> 01:16:51,849
CIA footprint in examiner.com that

1771
01:16:57,359 --> 01:16:54,099
actually pumped for and saw the ibless

1772
01:16:59,520 --> 01:16:57,369
the my article first published after

1773
01:17:01,199 --> 01:16:59,530
review by the editorial team it was

1774
01:17:03,149 --> 01:17:01,209
released on their site and then torn

1775
01:17:05,609 --> 01:17:03,159
down and then the entire column within

1776
01:17:07,049 --> 01:17:05,619
24 hours was torn down and the terms of

1777
01:17:09,359 --> 01:17:07,059
the contract with that publication group

1778
01:17:11,959 --> 01:17:09,369
were that the the writer has no recourse

1779
01:17:14,129 --> 01:17:11,969
and the the publisher has no

1780
01:17:16,290 --> 01:17:14,139
responsibility to provide reasons why

1781
01:17:20,879 --> 01:17:16,300
they they do such things it was one of

1782
01:17:22,649 --> 01:17:20,889
the more freelance society economy as we

1783
01:17:24,779 --> 01:17:22,659
can terminate you the contract any time

1784
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,789
with no reason so those are the

1785
01:17:28,259 --> 01:17:26,320
conditions but but the good news was

1786
01:17:31,889 --> 01:17:28,269
that I became the co-founder for news

1787
01:17:34,529 --> 01:17:31,899
insight calm which gives me I have you

1788
01:17:37,169 --> 01:17:34,539
know I have entirely 100% editorial

1789
01:17:39,719 --> 01:17:37,179
control and that is something it was

1790
01:17:41,429 --> 01:17:39,729
someone in my position who broke who was

1791
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:41,439
breaking stories like the Iraq war two

1792
01:17:47,339 --> 01:17:43,689
years before it started and identifying

1793
01:17:50,009 --> 01:17:47,349
Edward Snowden's UFOs you know 11 months

1794
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:50,019
for the intercept someone in my position

1795
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:51,760
needs a publishing platform where they

1796
01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:53,289
have some retained some element of

1797
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:55,510
control and some some protection against

1798
01:17:58,680 --> 01:17:57,010
censorship because

1799
01:18:00,779 --> 01:17:58,690
certainly I've I've inflamed the

1800
01:18:03,839 --> 01:18:00,789
passions of more than one production

1801
01:18:06,930 --> 01:18:03,849
person in my time here and I've lost

1802
01:18:10,140 --> 01:18:06,940
I've lost platforms do demised stick

1803
01:18:11,729 --> 01:18:10,150
with it Necedah bend the the band my

1804
01:18:14,609 --> 01:18:11,739
understanding of the truth to conform to

1805
01:18:16,140 --> 01:18:14,619
some media political need has lost me a

1806
01:18:18,509 --> 01:18:16,150
lot of a lot of professional

1807
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:18,519
opportunities CBS doesn't call anymore

1808
01:18:23,939 --> 01:18:22,719
for example getting back to there's just

1809
01:18:26,250 --> 01:18:23,949
a couple things I want to touch on what

1810
01:18:31,109 --> 01:18:26,260
you just talked about but getting back

1811
01:18:32,490 --> 01:18:31,119
to what I my last question why you know

1812
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:32,500
scientists don't take a look at that

1813
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:34,570
isn't there there's got to be people out

1814
01:18:39,149 --> 01:18:36,489
there that are curious though that are

1815
01:18:41,490 --> 01:18:39,159
in the science field like there has to

1816
01:18:42,330 --> 01:18:41,500
be I support that and I think we there

1817
01:18:45,390 --> 01:18:42,340
is evidence for that

1818
01:18:46,589 --> 01:18:45,400
Dorothee eyes it was studied by tenured

1819
01:18:48,540 --> 01:18:46,599
professors at the University of British

1820
01:18:51,419 --> 01:18:48,550
Columbia it's very prestigious West

1821
01:18:53,819 --> 01:18:51,429
Coast University and those individuals

1822
01:18:56,279 --> 01:18:53,829
took a hard look and went on camera to

1823
01:18:59,279 --> 01:18:56,289
talk about their about it of her claims

1824
01:19:01,799 --> 01:18:59,289
so and that's back in the 1980s so

1825
01:19:04,140 --> 01:19:01,809
certainly with with the many disclosure

1826
01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:04,150
initiatives that occurred and the the

1827
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:05,409
citizen's hearings that have occurred

1828
01:19:08,459 --> 01:19:07,329
and all this documentation that has been

1829
01:19:10,649 --> 01:19:08,469
produced as a result of those

1830
01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:10,659
initiatives there are many credentialed

1831
01:19:14,910 --> 01:19:13,630
individuals on camera who had who held

1832
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:14,920
positions of responsibility in the

1833
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:16,690
government or the military or other

1834
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:19,110
institutions who've gone on camera to

1835
01:19:23,250 --> 01:19:21,190
provide their own opinions perspective

1836
01:19:25,709 --> 01:19:23,260
we are not short of those credentialed

1837
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:25,719
individuals but but there's a there is a

1838
01:19:33,290 --> 01:19:27,489
fundamental understanding related to

1839
01:19:35,819 --> 01:19:33,300
career suicide in that there are claims

1840
01:19:39,529 --> 01:19:35,829
valid or not with regards to national

1841
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,539
security questions that the UFO issue

1842
01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:42,159
awakens within the minds of people maybe

1843
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:45,940
tasked with national defense but I say

1844
01:19:53,549 --> 01:19:49,840
that if if the entire air defense system

1845
01:19:56,129 --> 01:19:53,559
on 9/11 was was shut I think you know we

1846
01:19:58,319 --> 01:19:56,139
obviously have Nationals in voting

1847
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:58,329
national security over UFO issues that

1848
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:00,159
mean we already have national security

1849
01:20:06,049 --> 01:20:02,650
problems so it seems we already have a

1850
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:06,059
TSA that was audited operating at 95%

1851
01:20:10,340 --> 01:20:08,170
inefficiency by the Department of

1852
01:20:11,870 --> 01:20:10,350
Homeland Security so all these

1853
01:20:13,610 --> 01:20:11,880
suppose security initiatives that we've

1854
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:13,620
got don't seem to be doing a lot dumps

1855
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:14,850
should be accomplishing a lot so to

1856
01:20:21,770 --> 01:20:18,320
speak so I'd say that this this this

1857
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:21,780
smothering of free discourse on the UFO

1858
01:20:28,460 --> 01:20:24,810
question and and the seeming destruction

1859
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:28,470
of careers even at White Sands there's

1860
01:20:32,990 --> 01:20:30,510
there was a documentary about the

1861
01:20:35,650 --> 01:20:33,000
operative who destroyed the career and

1862
01:20:38,180 --> 01:20:35,660
and the mental health of a witness to

1863
01:20:39,650 --> 01:20:38,190
UFO tests that see me I can't member the

1864
01:20:41,630 --> 01:20:39,660
name of the film but we're celebrating

1865
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:41,640
we're celebrating the operatives here

1866
01:20:45,820 --> 01:20:43,770
you know who put the knife in the back

1867
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:45,830
of the the investigator and twist that

1868
01:20:50,030 --> 01:20:48,300
we really have we really got a backwards

1869
01:20:51,530 --> 01:20:50,040
it seems from the from the perspective

1870
01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:51,540
of people who were going out in the

1871
01:20:55,010 --> 01:20:52,860
field and having direct contact with

1872
01:20:56,830 --> 01:20:55,020
seemingly more advanced civilizations

1873
01:20:59,210 --> 01:20:56,840
there's some sort of hartmann

1874
01:21:01,280 --> 01:20:59,220
harmonizing that's not happening in our

1875
01:21:03,050 --> 01:21:01,290
present way of looking at life and the

1876
01:21:04,700 --> 01:21:03,060
meaning of society that needs to be

1877
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:04,710
invigorated and I think that that's

1878
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:07,290
again one of the takeaways is that our

1879
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:10,290
eyes we begin our eyes open to two ways

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01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,840
of living and ways of being as a result

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01:21:18,050 --> 01:21:15,360
of these of these contacts and I think

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01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:18,060
that those esteemed thinkers in the

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01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:19,410
different institutions who may have to

1884
01:21:24,050 --> 01:21:21,540
who may be addressing these questions in

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01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,060
secrecy or in silence or other other

1886
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:25,920
other kinds of constraints they feel

1887
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:27,210
that urge to they feel the desire for

1888
01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:28,650
something better to happen and for some

1889
01:21:34,220 --> 01:21:32,760
advanced to take place and so I'm as far

1890
01:21:36,290 --> 01:21:34,230
as I'm concerned yeah there were a lot

1891
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:36,300
of people a lot of a lot of prominent

1892
01:21:41,210 --> 01:21:38,330
thinkers we have the former Canadian

1893
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:41,220
minister of defense and and deputy prime

1894
01:21:45,020 --> 01:21:43,170
minister who's been active in the

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01:21:47,060 --> 01:21:45,030
circuit Paul Hellyer he's been for

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01:21:48,710 --> 01:21:47,070
several years I mean that's a that's a

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01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:48,720
position of grave responsibility in

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01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:52,380
terms of Canada's national defense so he

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01:21:56,030 --> 01:21:54,060
thinks do something to it I think I

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01:21:57,860 --> 01:21:56,040
think we can reflect and we can learn

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01:22:00,920 --> 01:21:57,870
from the contributions of our of our you

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01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:00,930
know forebears and and predecessors the

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01:22:03,710 --> 01:22:02,250
brave people who've already you know

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01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:03,720
taken great risks particularly people

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01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:04,290
who were under oath

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01:22:09,260 --> 01:22:06,840
they've taken tremendous risks to come

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01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:09,270
forward and in breach of their

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01:22:14,060 --> 01:22:10,170
agreements with whatever government

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01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:14,070
agencies a lot of these people exist but

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01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:16,170
but but I would I would I would simply

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01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:19,320
like to emphasize that in spite of the

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you know as part of the luminaries who

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01:22:24,170 --> 01:22:23,580
are available to speaking on these

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01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:24,180
questions I

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01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:25,890
still I look beyond the horizon I look

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01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:27,810
to the emergent population I'm looking

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01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:29,370
to the grassroots where the the new

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01:22:32,420 --> 01:22:31,260
visionaries are are out there in the

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01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:32,430
world now having different types of

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01:22:38,270 --> 01:22:35,360
contacts under reported under documented

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01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:38,280
not well understood I see that the I see

1922
01:22:43,220 --> 01:22:39,540
the breakthrough knowledge coming from

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01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:43,230
the the the new people who are coming on

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01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:44,730
the rise and the next generations and so

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01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:47,490
on and that my hope is to to meet them

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01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,560
in my lifetime to meet to meet as many

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01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:51,120
of them as I can and to learn from their

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01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,110
experiences and to be they're

1929
01:22:56,480 --> 01:22:54,480
experiencing alongside them I think it's

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01:22:59,090 --> 01:22:56,490
a very exciting adventure and I hope

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01:23:02,510 --> 01:22:59,100
that my enthusiasm and people like me

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01:23:04,670 --> 01:23:02,520
can inspire the enthusiasm of the the

1933
01:23:07,700 --> 01:23:04,680
more serious thinkers and the the people

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01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:07,710
who may be who may have access to better

1935
01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:09,420
resources and to help and to make

1936
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:10,920
contributions in these areas I hope that

1937
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:14,130
they can be inspired to become more

1938
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:17,610
visible and and and make more open

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01:23:24,290 --> 01:23:21,090
contributions in these areas now we're

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01:23:25,790 --> 01:23:24,300
listening to John Kelly and for live

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01:23:27,650 --> 01:23:25,800
listeners we have a lot of you live

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01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:27,660
listeners right now and you're welcome

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01:23:33,050 --> 01:23:30,000
to call in ask a question at six oh

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01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:33,060
three nine six seven four OH three oh

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01:23:37,730 --> 01:23:35,460
and the chat room is very quiet tonight

1946
01:23:39,380 --> 01:23:37,740
we usually have a lot of questions

1947
01:23:40,970 --> 01:23:39,390
popping up I think everyone's just

1948
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:40,980
fascinated they're listening to what

1949
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:44,580
you're saying probably so you started to

1950
01:23:48,980 --> 01:23:46,320
talk before I distracted you you were

1951
01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:48,990
talking about going back to the Pacific

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01:23:56,420 --> 01:23:52,950
Northwest and I'm out I want to say is

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01:24:00,490 --> 01:23:56,430
it Mount Adams or Adams yes and Adams

1954
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:00,500
and so the Gifford Pinchot National

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01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:03,330
wilderness area surrounds this

1956
01:24:08,270 --> 01:24:05,940
stratovolcano in the Pacific Northwest

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01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:08,280
in the Columbia River Gorge region the

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01:24:10,970 --> 01:24:09,210
Columbia being one of the major

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01:24:12,380 --> 01:24:10,980
tributaries tributaries from the Rocky

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01:24:14,420 --> 01:24:12,390
Mountains that starts up here in British

1961
01:24:15,770 --> 01:24:14,430
Columbia and winds its way down to the

1962
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:15,780
border of Washington and Oregon State

1963
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:18,330
and so just north of the river is Mount

1964
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:22,400
Adams and in the late 1940s and 1947

1965
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:25,170
independent pilot Kenneth Arnold was on

1966
01:24:31,310 --> 01:24:29,490
a flight south in which he cited flying

1967
01:24:33,700 --> 01:24:31,320
between Rainier and Adams these two

1968
01:24:36,260 --> 01:24:33,710
cascade volcano mountains he saw this

1969
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:36,270
squadron of objects in flight and this

1970
01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:37,360
became the report of

1971
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:39,640
saucers that dominated the headlines and

1972
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:42,400
you know create the meme of flying

1973
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:45,490
saucers was born out of that that single

1974
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:47,530
incident but my visits to the region

1975
01:24:52,410 --> 01:24:49,360
informed me that there was a lot of

1976
01:24:55,230 --> 01:24:52,420
ongoing events and phenomena that were

1977
01:24:57,300 --> 01:24:55,240
accessible in the area being as it is on

1978
01:24:59,130 --> 01:24:57,310
the edge of the wilderness for example

1979
01:25:02,390 --> 01:24:59,140
wilderness means untamed

1980
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:02,400
I mean wilderness means anything goes

1981
01:25:11,670 --> 01:25:06,730
you know untamed unexplored unknown not

1982
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,680
civilized it brings with it all the you

1983
01:25:15,660 --> 01:25:13,600
know all of the archaic things that we

1984
01:25:17,820 --> 01:25:15,670
can imagine that the Stone Age ancestors

1985
01:25:20,580 --> 01:25:17,830
and the first peoples we're experiencing

1986
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:20,590
before us it I have no doubt in my mind

1987
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:22,690
that the Native Americans in that region

1988
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:24,850
we're having all kinds of contact and

1989
01:25:29,970 --> 01:25:27,280
phenomena dimensional localized

1990
01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:29,980
in the sky on the treetop they were

1991
01:25:34,020 --> 01:25:32,200
seeing a lot of intense things because I

1992
01:25:35,550 --> 01:25:34,030
can tell you right now I saw and

1993
01:25:38,190 --> 01:25:35,560
participated in all kinds of really

1994
01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:38,200
strange and unusual experiences by being

1995
01:25:42,810 --> 01:25:40,180
up in that area that was it was really

1996
01:25:44,490 --> 01:25:42,820
unusual now this is going back to the

1997
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:44,500
the the theme that you introduced

1998
01:25:49,740 --> 01:25:46,210
earlier which was the discussion of hot

1999
01:25:52,710 --> 01:25:49,750
spots which in the apology field is it

2000
01:25:54,930 --> 01:25:52,720
puts us on a map on a pin a pinboard

2001
01:25:56,700 --> 01:25:54,940
where we can we can locate seeming

2002
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:56,710
locations where there's a better chance

2003
01:26:01,950 --> 01:25:58,090
who may have a sighting if I go to this

2004
01:26:03,810 --> 01:26:01,960
place I may have a better luck being

2005
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:03,820
part of it something that happens there

2006
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:06,490
but I but I say that further than this

2007
01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:09,070
idea of mapping the world for its hot

2008
01:26:14,910 --> 01:26:11,620
spots is this idea of the hot spots

2009
01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:14,920
within us the people themselves in other

2010
01:26:19,770 --> 01:26:17,940
words the the housewife on her back deck

2011
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:19,780
possesses some attributes or qualities

2012
01:26:25,620 --> 01:26:22,440
that make her a qualified participant

2013
01:26:31,050 --> 01:26:25,630
and she is she is seemingly a you know

2014
01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:31,060
if she's in her in her for her something

2015
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,470
as manifesting is very natural and

2016
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:34,480
normal is because of some qualities or

2017
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:36,610
attributes that person possesses and so

2018
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:38,410
if we become those qualified individuals

2019
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:41,110
in other words I say then there is no

2020
01:26:45,870 --> 01:26:42,730
there is no real restriction on where we

2021
01:26:46,380 --> 01:26:45,880
have to be necessarily for something to

2022
01:26:49,230 --> 01:26:46,390
happen

2023
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:49,240
and at the same time we also find

2024
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:50,570
ourselves

2025
01:26:55,570 --> 01:26:52,730
in situations where we just happened to

2026
01:26:58,630 --> 01:26:55,580
be the agency of getting the recording

2027
01:27:00,970 --> 01:26:58,640
done as I found myself in Dallas I was I

2028
01:27:02,980 --> 01:27:00,980
didn't have any you know six months

2029
01:27:04,750 --> 01:27:02,990
prior to that I had no plans to be there

2030
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:04,760
it just it's the way it went you know I

2031
01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:07,010
I just happened to be the individual in

2032
01:27:11,950 --> 01:27:09,310
that situation who was qualified to

2033
01:27:13,390 --> 01:27:11,960
participate and I just so happen to have

2034
01:27:15,850 --> 01:27:13,400
all my equipment with me at the same

2035
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:15,860
time so we can be those we can be those

2036
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:19,040
people in life we can be the person in

2037
01:27:22,750 --> 01:27:21,290
the right place at the right time it's

2038
01:27:26,380 --> 01:27:22,760
got and I say it's a question of you

2039
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:26,390
know our inner condition and what what's

2040
01:27:29,410 --> 01:27:27,890
you know the colorations of our minds

2041
01:27:31,570 --> 01:27:29,420
and our hearts our desires and so on

2042
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:31,580
very yogic ideas and these ideas have a

2043
01:27:35,890 --> 01:27:33,920
lot of currency in the contact realm

2044
01:27:38,020 --> 01:27:35,900
people talk about meditation and contact

2045
01:27:39,190 --> 01:27:38,030
these ideas are not strange and it's

2046
01:27:41,710 --> 01:27:39,200
just someone who has a very deep

2047
01:27:44,350 --> 01:27:41,720
investment in meditation in yoga I I

2048
01:27:47,530 --> 01:27:44,360
share I share those ideas but but

2049
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:47,540
further to that I as many phenomena as

2050
01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:49,850
I'm able to describe seemingly I I've

2051
01:27:53,650 --> 01:27:52,070
been witnessed to a part of some really

2052
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:53,660
a quite a variety of different

2053
01:27:59,170 --> 01:27:56,810
experiences but at the same time

2054
01:28:01,120 --> 01:27:59,180
I'm not really engaging in them and in

2055
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:01,130
an attached to grasping sort of a way as

2056
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:02,690
if you know I was reaching out for

2057
01:28:07,330 --> 01:28:03,650
something they were slipping through my

2058
01:28:09,970 --> 01:28:07,340
fingers rather on creating space where

2059
01:28:12,730 --> 01:28:09,980
something can occur I'm set in the stage

2060
01:28:14,440 --> 01:28:12,740
for for something to take place and in

2061
01:28:17,850 --> 01:28:14,450
doing so I'm becoming the recipient of

2062
01:28:21,940 --> 01:28:17,860
that experience and this is david akers

2063
01:28:25,150 --> 01:28:21,950
concepts the engineer who steered the

2064
01:28:27,940 --> 01:28:25,160
Yakama lights study there was about a

2065
01:28:29,770 --> 01:28:27,950
two decades study that was on the

2066
01:28:31,690 --> 01:28:29,780
suggestion of dr. J Allen Hynek who

2067
01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:31,700
which was the US federal government's

2068
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:34,550
UFO scientist is the famed astronomer of

2069
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:36,890
the 20th century Hynek suggested to

2070
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:38,570
david akers from seattle that he go to

2071
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:42,320
Yakima which is on the south excuse me

2072
01:28:47,230 --> 01:28:45,530
is on the east side of Mount Adams you

2073
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:47,240
go up to Yakima and start documenting

2074
01:28:51,820 --> 01:28:49,130
the light phenomena that's that people

2075
01:28:53,950 --> 01:28:51,830
are seeing locally and those lights

2076
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:53,960
informed the production of Steven

2077
01:28:58,930 --> 01:28:57,290
Spielberg's Close Encounters in terms of

2078
01:29:01,300 --> 01:28:58,940
the special effects that were shown of

2079
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:01,310
stationary space objects that start to

2080
01:29:04,030 --> 01:29:03,290
move and start like stars that start

2081
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:04,040
flying around

2082
01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:06,050
like that this is yakima lights type

2083
01:29:11,710 --> 01:29:08,510
phenomena so when david akers was in the

2084
01:29:14,350 --> 01:29:11,720
field he wrote that the camera operator

2085
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:14,360
is best to set up their equipment and

2086
01:29:20,110 --> 01:29:18,320
let the phenomena come to them though if

2087
01:29:22,210 --> 01:29:20,120
we race from spot to spot in the region

2088
01:29:23,170 --> 01:29:22,220
trying to find the best place he said

2089
01:29:27,190 --> 01:29:23,180
that wasn't the solution the solution

2090
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:27,200
was to withdraw from being overly

2091
01:29:30,730 --> 01:29:28,970
identified with the outcomes and

2092
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:30,740
attachments which is the message of the

2093
01:29:34,750 --> 01:29:32,810
Gita you know stop being attached to the

2094
01:29:37,390 --> 01:29:34,760
outcomes just do your thing and don't

2095
01:29:39,310 --> 01:29:37,400
worry about the outcome this this whole

2096
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:39,320
philosophy is what he was saying that he

2097
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:40,970
would say as well the phenomena will

2098
01:29:44,890 --> 01:29:43,040
come to the observer if we are if we

2099
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:44,900
qualify ourselves you know if we emerge

2100
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:49,010
as as fully you know capable of engaging

2101
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:50,840
on all these different levels with with

2102
01:29:54,570 --> 01:29:52,910
something that something will find us it

2103
01:29:57,100 --> 01:29:54,580
will notice us and we'll want the

2104
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:57,110
qualities that we're manifesting around

2105
01:30:02,170 --> 01:29:59,600
us will be attractive to those other

2106
01:30:02,980 --> 01:30:02,180
intelligences and that is that's that's

2107
01:30:04,930 --> 01:30:02,990
a lot of what the Mount Adams

2108
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:04,940
experiences about ins David Akers the

2109
01:30:08,980 --> 01:30:06,770
engineer I mean he led a twenty

2110
01:30:10,630 --> 01:30:08,990
something like a 20 year study at the a

2111
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:10,640
combination to document the stuff and he

2112
01:30:15,310 --> 01:30:13,280
was you know to inform informally

2113
01:30:16,990 --> 01:30:15,320
assigned by dr. Hynek so these were

2114
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:17,000
serious people and yet this is the

2115
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:18,320
perspective that comes from that

2116
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:20,330
research and it certainly it falls into

2117
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:22,250
my perspective as well so there I was

2118
01:30:27,130 --> 01:30:24,890
many seasons up up at but not Adams I

2119
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:27,140
was on Mount Adams now did you can't did

2120
01:30:32,170 --> 01:30:30,560
you tent out up up there i I had access

2121
01:30:37,060 --> 01:30:32,180
to facilities and ranch facilities

2122
01:30:40,270 --> 01:30:37,070
because I as a Vancouver native and BC

2123
01:30:42,610 --> 01:30:40,280
native I was in james gilliland neck of

2124
01:30:45,550 --> 01:30:42,620
the woods and so James the prominent

2125
01:30:47,470 --> 01:30:45,560
contact he at East Eddy ranch extended a

2126
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:47,480
lot of hospitality to me over many

2127
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:49,730
seasons and I became one of the

2128
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:51,650
prominent videographers on his land

2129
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:53,690
which meant I had access to the

2130
01:31:00,340 --> 01:30:57,920
facilities and so on Wow but okay go

2131
01:31:02,710 --> 01:31:00,350
ahead but certainly you know the area

2132
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:02,720
the area around Matt Adams is available

2133
01:31:04,540 --> 01:31:04,130
for hiking and camping this beautiful

2134
01:31:06,370 --> 01:31:04,550
wilderness

2135
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:06,380
it's a beautiful escape the gorge itself

2136
01:31:13,390 --> 01:31:10,370
is a wonderful agricultural region with

2137
01:31:15,490 --> 01:31:13,400
all kinds of fruit in season all kinds

2138
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:15,500
of wonderful culinary experiences

2139
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:17,850
happening right now in that region and

2140
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:19,890
and all those things are within within

2141
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:21,810
reaches a ranger station to get on Mount

2142
01:31:24,890 --> 01:31:22,890
Adams all those things are in place so

2143
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:24,900
people can definitely go up there and

2144
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:26,490
make bed and breakfast and other

2145
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:29,010
arrangements to just stay up in the area

2146
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:29,850
mm-hmm

2147
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:33,210
now how about someone the only the

2148
01:31:37,850 --> 01:31:35,370
experience I had was just one you know I

2149
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:37,860
mean I happened to be sitting in a hot

2150
01:31:41,900 --> 01:31:39,810
tub and this thing flew over me this is

2151
01:31:45,050 --> 01:31:41,910
kind of the genesis of me doing this

2152
01:31:47,060 --> 01:31:45,060
show and but I've only had one I had

2153
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:47,070
possibly another sighting but I'll I

2154
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:49,890
won't call it that if it could have been

2155
01:31:56,900 --> 01:31:53,610
something explainable but the one I had

2156
01:31:59,630 --> 01:31:56,910
was certainly a sighting that could not

2157
01:32:03,800 --> 01:31:59,640
be explained initially and that was back

2158
01:32:07,610 --> 01:32:03,810
in 2006 so I just had one

2159
01:32:12,380 --> 01:32:07,620
I wasn't evidently tuned into anything

2160
01:32:14,450 --> 01:32:12,390
just relaxing in a hot tub so what do

2161
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:14,460
you say to the the about the person that

2162
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:16,530
just has one sighting as far as I know

2163
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:18,560
there were no other witnesses

2164
01:32:26,540 --> 01:32:24,840
well solitary experiences and

2165
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:26,550
observations have have their own

2166
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:28,770
validity and their personal validity and

2167
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:32,730
it offers you a memory to reflect on

2168
01:32:36,170 --> 01:32:34,890
something you know if you if you were

2169
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:36,180
obviously you're a person who's

2170
01:32:42,110 --> 01:32:38,370
interested in UFO related questions and

2171
01:32:44,660 --> 01:32:42,120
so you have you you you you can weigh

2172
01:32:47,870 --> 01:32:44,670
your first-hand encounter with the

2173
01:32:49,490 --> 01:32:47,880
testimony of other peoples and you know

2174
01:32:51,530 --> 01:32:49,500
you hope your your part of the community

2175
01:32:53,180 --> 01:32:51,540
of witnesses whether you know you're on

2176
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:53,190
the maximum end of the scale or the

2177
01:32:57,770 --> 01:32:55,050
minimum isn't as important as the fact

2178
01:33:01,160 --> 01:32:57,780
that it's so you exist as a as a member

2179
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:01,170
of a community and your story has its

2180
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:04,410
own personal meaning that maybe others

2181
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:07,290
may share you know interpretive and

2182
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:08,880
other kinds of dimensions of your story

2183
01:33:12,350 --> 01:33:11,130
just in the telling you know other

2184
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:12,360
people might be benefiting in other

2185
01:33:16,190 --> 01:33:13,650
words from hearing that story from you

2186
01:33:18,230 --> 01:33:16,200
and so you're fulfilling a greater

2187
01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:18,240
purpose than just I wish I could have my

2188
01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:20,760
own UFO setting but rather you're you

2189
01:33:24,650 --> 01:33:22,280
know you're part of an educational

2190
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:24,660
outreach and active it and a form of

2191
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:26,400
activism by being a broadcaster on this

2192
01:33:30,230 --> 01:33:28,410
topic as well so I would say that's

2193
01:33:31,759 --> 01:33:30,240
that's great efficiency I mean one

2194
01:33:33,709 --> 01:33:31,769
experience translates into all this

2195
01:33:35,299 --> 01:33:33,719
knowledge and information sharing a

2196
01:33:36,799 --> 01:33:35,309
benefit and community building I think

2197
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:36,809
that's quite a that's quite a good

2198
01:33:40,389 --> 01:33:38,489
outcome considering you say it was

2199
01:33:43,850 --> 01:33:40,399
perhaps only one incident that did it

2200
01:33:47,899 --> 01:33:43,860
yeah that's that's right that's exactly

2201
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:47,909
right because that was just enough to

2202
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:51,449
make me want to really explore what's

2203
01:33:54,139 --> 01:33:52,050
going on

2204
01:33:56,179 --> 01:33:54,149
and I still you know I've said this a

2205
01:33:59,989 --> 01:33:56,189
number of times and not to be redundant

2206
01:34:03,560 --> 01:33:59,999
but I just feel that there probably will

2207
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:03,570
not be any answer to this and in my

2208
01:34:08,029 --> 01:34:06,090
lifetime and I'm okay with that

2209
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:08,039
you know I'm just exploring it and

2210
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:09,360
talking to people like you and other

2211
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:12,719
people that have interesting thoughts

2212
01:34:19,250 --> 01:34:15,840
about what might be going on is enough

2213
01:34:22,129 --> 01:34:19,260
for me you know it's it's it's it's a

2214
01:34:25,129 --> 01:34:22,139
fascinating topic well yeah and so I

2215
01:34:28,989 --> 01:34:25,139
think there it is it offers fertile

2216
01:34:31,069 --> 01:34:28,999
grounds for to inspire new thinking and

2217
01:34:32,299 --> 01:34:31,079
however that translates for every

2218
01:34:33,589 --> 01:34:32,309
individual is up to them

2219
01:34:38,959 --> 01:34:33,599
there are initiatives that are

2220
01:34:40,339 --> 01:34:38,969
attempting to formalize political and

2221
01:34:43,159 --> 01:34:40,349
social understanding of these issues in

2222
01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:43,169
our heritage in the 20th century or even

2223
01:34:50,029 --> 01:34:47,249
earlier which may or may not be

2224
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:50,039
stonewalled in our time I I I'm someone

2225
01:34:56,270 --> 01:34:53,610
who said I could sit around and wait for

2226
01:34:59,149 --> 01:34:56,280
formal governmental disclosure or it

2227
01:35:00,560 --> 01:34:59,159
seems to me I'm in an opportunity where

2228
01:35:04,659 --> 01:35:00,570
I could go out and I could investigate

2229
01:35:08,379 --> 01:35:04,669
personally and I could break through the

2230
01:35:11,959 --> 01:35:08,389
wall of silence and the cultural

2231
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:11,969
barriers that I was I was in cultured

2232
01:35:17,509 --> 01:35:14,159
into and adopted into by living in the

2233
01:35:19,759 --> 01:35:17,519
society all of the the woowoo

2234
01:35:21,949 --> 01:35:19,769
little green men type of mentality that

2235
01:35:25,429 --> 01:35:21,959
accompanies these questions I was able

2236
01:35:28,459 --> 01:35:25,439
to thoroughly shake those concepts from

2237
01:35:33,649 --> 01:35:28,469
my psyche by climbing that climbing the

2238
01:35:35,330 --> 01:35:33,659
tree of encounters repeatedly that that

2239
01:35:37,339 --> 01:35:35,340
seemed to me that the opportunity of my

2240
01:35:40,189 --> 01:35:37,349
time is that we live in a time when

2241
01:35:42,529 --> 01:35:40,199
there's inexpensive high high end

2242
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:42,539
technology is in the consumer market

2243
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:44,760
like digital night vision is widely

2244
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:45,610
accessible

2245
01:35:52,020 --> 01:35:49,090
today and people are living in areas

2246
01:35:54,270 --> 01:35:52,030
that have that have continuous sightings

2247
01:35:57,060 --> 01:35:54,280
as if all we had to do is just you know

2248
01:35:58,230 --> 01:35:57,070
pick up our game a little bit and just

2249
01:35:59,820 --> 01:35:58,240
treat it like you know people have

2250
01:36:01,620 --> 01:35:59,830
amateur sports if my softball on

2251
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:01,630
weekends well this is sort of like a

2252
01:36:06,420 --> 01:36:03,730
sport too if we if we play start playing

2253
01:36:09,300 --> 01:36:06,430
enough we get in the game we see think

2254
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:09,310
we'll see some amazing place so I see

2255
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:10,480
this is one of the great opportunities

2256
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:12,400
of our time for the individual for the

2257
01:36:18,660 --> 01:36:15,970
community on the small scale my I don't

2258
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:18,670
have a grand vision where I'm gonna have

2259
01:36:21,660 --> 01:36:20,170
a meeting with the Pope and Queen

2260
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:21,670
Elizabeth and the President of the

2261
01:36:26,190 --> 01:36:23,350
United States you know I don't see

2262
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:26,200
myself being buried on an Arlington

2263
01:36:32,340 --> 01:36:29,410
Cemetery you know I don't foresee that

2264
01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:32,350
as a consequence of my my study I just

2265
01:36:36,450 --> 01:36:34,660
see this really ripe opportunity for

2266
01:36:38,910 --> 01:36:36,460
education and investment in future

2267
01:36:40,530 --> 01:36:38,920
understanding I'm as a kid I was a

2268
01:36:42,660 --> 01:36:40,540
beneficiary from all the writers who

2269
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:42,670
wrote about the subject of UFOs I read

2270
01:36:46,860 --> 01:36:44,170
extensively in the public library I

2271
01:36:49,110 --> 01:36:46,870
lived in a community we had from public

2272
01:36:52,220 --> 01:36:49,120
libraries you know you know the way the

2273
01:36:55,610 --> 01:36:52,230
things are in libraries today is that on

2274
01:36:59,880 --> 01:36:55,620
face list nameless contractors

2275
01:37:02,130 --> 01:36:59,890
supervised library content on their on

2276
01:37:04,890 --> 01:37:02,140
their internet services so if you use it

2277
01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:04,900
in an Internet library connection there

2278
01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:07,870
are sites that are actually a sensor off

2279
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:10,000
those connections in the sense the

2280
01:37:13,380 --> 01:37:11,920
censoring body is is a subcontractor to

2281
01:37:15,300 --> 01:37:13,390
the Department of Homeland Security

2282
01:37:17,220 --> 01:37:15,310
it's a nameless faceless corporate

2283
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:17,230
entity so if I was growing up in a

2284
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:19,210
society where I had such constrained

2285
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:21,370
access I may not have read all the

2286
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:23,050
informative ideas about these questions

2287
01:37:26,340 --> 01:37:24,490
that I did that inspired my later

2288
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:26,350
thinking but I'm one of those people I

2289
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:27,610
grew up in a time when we didn't have

2290
01:37:34,890 --> 01:37:31,890
those kinds of restrictions on access to

2291
01:37:36,660 --> 01:37:34,900
library books you know it's it's we

2292
01:37:38,910 --> 01:37:36,670
don't live in that society today there's

2293
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:38,920
a lot we have this relative freedom it

2294
01:37:42,930 --> 01:37:40,210
seems like we have a lot of traces but

2295
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:42,940
actually a lot of there's a lot of

2296
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:44,770
things you know you can't read it and if

2297
01:37:47,490 --> 01:37:45,760
you have to read it in the British

2298
01:37:49,890 --> 01:37:47,500
newspapers before it becomes a nuisance

2299
01:37:52,290 --> 01:37:49,900
the United States I mean this is this is

2300
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:52,300
the practical reality so I was inspired

2301
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:53,920
as I was inspired as young reader and I

2302
01:37:57,870 --> 01:37:55,810
hope to be a contributor to that same

2303
01:37:58,919 --> 01:37:57,880
flow that some someone like me a young

2304
01:38:01,620 --> 01:37:58,929
person who was

2305
01:38:03,989 --> 01:38:01,630
like I was will have some questions that

2306
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:03,999
I may be able to answer my efforts and

2307
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:07,360
my accumulation of data over time will

2308
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:10,239
serve to advance the mind of a younger

2309
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:12,249
person who may be able to make some kind

2310
01:38:16,859 --> 01:38:13,570
of breakthrough contribution if they see

2311
01:38:18,779 --> 01:38:16,869
they see a good foundation a good

2312
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:18,789
research foundation even if all the

2313
01:38:22,649 --> 01:38:20,530
theories aren't in place to explain all

2314
01:38:24,270 --> 01:38:22,659
the data they see they see the abundance

2315
01:38:26,850 --> 01:38:24,280
of data the book that there's evidence

2316
01:38:29,580 --> 01:38:26,860
for pursuing this research there may be

2317
01:38:31,279 --> 01:38:29,590
some kind of a genius who can transport

2318
01:38:33,149 --> 01:38:31,289
this whole question of some next-level

2319
01:38:35,429 --> 01:38:33,159
and they just need a little inspiration

2320
01:38:38,429 --> 01:38:35,439
they just need a little a little helping

2321
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:38,439
hand and so my eye I see myself is able

2322
01:38:42,750 --> 01:38:40,719
to contribute in that way and that's you

2323
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:42,760
know I have i feverishly acquired so

2324
01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:44,800
much footage over the past years that I

2325
01:38:50,669 --> 01:38:49,209
saw such an abundant opportunity and so

2326
01:38:52,290 --> 01:38:50,679
and such breakthrough stuff I mean we're

2327
01:38:55,140 --> 01:38:52,300
talking about participating in events

2328
01:38:56,810 --> 01:38:55,150
that mainstream physics denies or even

2329
01:38:58,919 --> 01:38:56,820
possible and we've got people

2330
01:39:00,989 --> 01:38:58,929
participating by the dozens at a time

2331
01:39:02,609 --> 01:39:00,999
and that's like well we know we're onto

2332
01:39:05,549 --> 01:39:02,619
something we know we're breaking through

2333
01:39:08,279 --> 01:39:05,559
the curtains of denial you know the

2334
01:39:10,770 --> 01:39:08,289
imposed censorship of freedom of thought

2335
01:39:12,330 --> 01:39:10,780
we need to we need to shake that shake

2336
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:12,340
ourselves up a little bit we need to

2337
01:39:15,330 --> 01:39:13,840
jump in the water and swim around a

2338
01:39:16,799 --> 01:39:15,340
little bit before we start making

2339
01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:16,809
proclamations about the nature of the

2340
01:39:19,919 --> 01:39:18,760
oceans you know and all the beings that

2341
01:39:23,790 --> 01:39:19,929
live and then we're still discovering

2342
01:39:26,339 --> 01:39:23,800
new fish and aquatic entities living in

2343
01:39:27,989 --> 01:39:26,349
the oceans you know right now right in

2344
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:27,999
the science journals that continue to

2345
01:39:32,069 --> 01:39:30,249
publish new species new you know

2346
01:39:34,859 --> 01:39:32,079
subspecies and all those kinds of stuff

2347
01:39:36,330 --> 01:39:34,869
it's constant and so the rest of the

2348
01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:36,340
universe appears to be no different a

2349
01:39:41,850 --> 01:39:39,400
life is abundant many forms and there's

2350
01:39:43,890 --> 01:39:41,860
many you know thoughtful people under

2351
01:39:45,629 --> 01:39:43,900
severe political pressure and career

2352
01:39:47,790 --> 01:39:45,639
pressure and economic pressure are

2353
01:39:52,049 --> 01:39:47,800
coming up with constructs like quantum

2354
01:39:53,489 --> 01:39:52,059
condensates to describe objects that can

2355
01:39:56,219 --> 01:39:53,499
be recorded on instruments and seen with

2356
01:39:58,410 --> 01:39:56,229
the naked eye that manifest and be

2357
01:40:01,529 --> 01:39:58,420
manifested you know on camera and stuff

2358
01:40:02,580 --> 01:40:01,539
like that there are there are some very

2359
01:40:04,489 --> 01:40:02,590
well-educated people looking these

2360
01:40:07,049 --> 01:40:04,499
questions but they do so under severe

2361
01:40:09,029 --> 01:40:07,059
severe pressure severe severe pressure

2362
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:09,039
people people even doing shows like this

2363
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:10,449
Martin you may have you may have

2364
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:12,130
experiences with

2365
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:15,250
you know uh trolling and other kinds of

2366
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:17,850
problems even possibly state-sponsored

2367
01:40:23,790 --> 01:40:20,770
trolling which we know is going on you

2368
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:23,800
coming in and laying claim to ideas and

2369
01:40:27,899 --> 01:40:26,110
discourse and in interfering Facebook

2370
01:40:31,410 --> 01:40:27,909
and the social networks are rife with

2371
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:31,420
these types of problems I'm I'm a I'm a

2372
01:40:35,129 --> 01:40:32,770
senior administrator on a group that has

2373
01:40:39,870 --> 01:40:35,139
twelve thousand members and we were

2374
01:40:41,370 --> 01:40:39,880
constantly being subjected to junk

2375
01:40:43,709 --> 01:40:41,380
disinformation flowing through the group

2376
01:40:46,350 --> 01:40:43,719
and needing to to sift through that talk

2377
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:46,360
radio certainly is no different there's

2378
01:40:50,970 --> 01:40:48,850
a lot of there's a lot of structures in

2379
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:50,980
place to inhibit or prohibit a culture

2380
01:40:54,780 --> 01:40:52,570
of freedom and discourse around these

2381
01:40:57,660 --> 01:40:54,790
questions well I I do get several

2382
01:41:01,709 --> 01:40:57,670
hundred emails a week and some of them

2383
01:41:03,689 --> 01:41:01,719
are pretty tough to take so I don't know

2384
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:03,699
if that's any part of anything but

2385
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:06,730
usually it's just critique and I I do

2386
01:41:13,860 --> 01:41:09,370
welcome that and I do listen to some of

2387
01:41:15,780 --> 01:41:13,870
it but so it sounds to me like what got

2388
01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:15,790
you interested in this topic as you were

2389
01:41:20,879 --> 01:41:19,150
an early reader as a young reader I had

2390
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:20,889
a natural affinity for the topic and I

2391
01:41:25,020 --> 01:41:23,770
had offered had access to resources like

2392
01:41:27,149 --> 01:41:25,030
public libraries would that were

2393
01:41:28,919 --> 01:41:27,159
well-stocked on these subjects with the

2394
01:41:32,669 --> 01:41:28,929
authors of the late 1960s and early

2395
01:41:34,530 --> 01:41:32,679
1970s and so I had access to some of the

2396
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:34,540
contemporary thinking of the of the day

2397
01:41:40,970 --> 01:41:37,600
on these questions and I just continued

2398
01:41:43,229 --> 01:41:40,980
to pursue the interest as an adult

2399
01:41:46,020 --> 01:41:43,239
circumstances allowed me to acquire

2400
01:41:49,110 --> 01:41:46,030
equipment and be meet the contactees and

2401
01:41:52,140 --> 01:41:49,120
start to produce my own filming so I I

2402
01:41:53,490 --> 01:41:52,150
had an affinity for it as if you know

2403
01:41:56,430 --> 01:41:53,500
it's just something you know some people

2404
01:41:59,970 --> 01:41:56,440
play baseball some people like trick you

2405
01:42:02,399 --> 01:41:59,980
know exports like mountain biking and

2406
01:42:04,010 --> 01:42:02,409
stuff like that like I like running

2407
01:42:06,060 --> 01:42:04,020
around with a camera and taping

2408
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:06,070
extraterrestrials and interdimensional

2409
01:42:11,459 --> 01:42:07,840
beings and it's just is this my thing

2410
01:42:15,810 --> 01:42:11,469
what could I say yeah yeah no I I think

2411
01:42:19,290 --> 01:42:15,820
I this has really made my life much more

2412
01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:19,300
exciting if I had and it's funny how I

2413
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:21,550
started this whole show was basically I

2414
01:42:26,010 --> 01:42:24,130
was I've said this I think rather

2415
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:26,020
recently but I'll just say real quickly

2416
01:42:33,150 --> 01:42:28,330
was on another podcast and I brought up

2417
01:42:35,670 --> 01:42:33,160
my UFO encounter and he transcribed the

2418
01:42:38,130 --> 01:42:35,680
podcast and that keyword UFOs and

2419
01:42:40,590 --> 01:42:38,140
everything I was talking about we've got

2420
01:42:42,540 --> 01:42:40,600
a lot of traffic to his site so it kind

2421
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:42,550
of inspired me to make this podcast

2422
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:45,130
because I realized there was a topic

2423
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,010
people want to talk about certainly and

2424
01:42:53,970 --> 01:42:49,840
the mainstream media understands that

2425
01:42:56,610 --> 01:42:53,980
because they they constantly promote UFO

2426
01:42:59,190 --> 01:42:56,620
related stories every month it seems

2427
01:43:01,050 --> 01:42:59,200
that all of the major networks have some

2428
01:43:02,970 --> 01:43:01,060
kind of UFO story they put on their site

2429
01:43:04,350 --> 01:43:02,980
it's just it's part of the news when I

2430
01:43:07,530 --> 01:43:04,360
wrote for examiner it was part of tech

2431
01:43:10,710 --> 01:43:07,540
news technology news UFO had a place in

2432
01:43:12,690 --> 01:43:10,720
the in the journalistic world and so we

2433
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:12,700
certainly talked about it certainly of

2434
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:14,410
diversity of opinions there's certainly

2435
01:43:21,690 --> 01:43:17,890
a an agenda related to censorship and

2436
01:43:24,690 --> 01:43:21,700
not maintaining secrecy and there are

2437
01:43:26,510 --> 01:43:24,700
also other kinds of grassroots community

2438
01:43:29,010 --> 01:43:26,520
level initiatives that are all about

2439
01:43:33,330 --> 01:43:29,020
getting way past the culture of secrecy

2440
01:43:35,010 --> 01:43:33,340
into information and meaningful data

2441
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:35,020
collection that will have long-term

2442
01:43:40,530 --> 01:43:37,450
meaning for intelligent readers and and

2443
01:43:41,850 --> 01:43:40,540
viewers and I you know this is this is

2444
01:43:44,010 --> 01:43:41,860
this is my vision

2445
01:43:45,330 --> 01:43:44,020
there's entrenched forces you know

2446
01:43:48,690 --> 01:43:45,340
fighting for disclosure and

2447
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:48,700
non-disclosure and you know there may be

2448
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:50,410
advances there may not be advances I

2449
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:52,570
think the biggest disclosure as I stated

2450
01:43:57,420 --> 01:43:54,610
earlier show is coming to terms with our

2451
01:43:59,640 --> 01:43:57,430
own human psychic nature and that we are

2452
01:44:02,520 --> 01:43:59,650
seemingly constant participants in other

2453
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:02,530
dimensional activities and being

2454
01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:04,930
observed by other entities in that way

2455
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:08,340
and we have to create a culture that

2456
01:44:14,490 --> 01:44:10,210
integrates with that rather than

2457
01:44:16,740 --> 01:44:14,500
distances distances us from that that

2458
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:16,750
perceptiveness we need to let that

2459
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:19,600
develop rather than turn it off in which

2460
01:44:24,930 --> 01:44:23,440
witch-hunting we have not pardon me we

2461
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:24,940
have a question up on the message board

2462
01:44:32,850 --> 01:44:30,250
and have you seen any UFO occupants well

2463
01:44:34,230 --> 01:44:32,860
in answer to this question and I was

2464
01:44:35,970 --> 01:44:34,240
asked the same question by Japan's

2465
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:35,980
antimony magazine which is a UFO

2466
01:44:42,630 --> 01:44:39,310
publication of a paper

2467
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:42,640
print magazine in Japan and I said no

2468
01:44:46,170 --> 01:44:44,410
Dorothy eyes it has certainly seen a lot

2469
01:44:48,270 --> 01:44:46,180
of them she's taped some of them to what

2470
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:48,280
my my face-to-face encounters who part

2471
01:44:52,140 --> 01:44:51,010
with the entities from the Sanskrit

2472
01:44:54,090 --> 01:44:52,150
culture and so I have these

2473
01:44:58,920 --> 01:44:54,100
high-resolution photographs face to face

2474
01:45:01,560 --> 01:44:58,930
of the the Vishnu's avatars as described

2475
01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:01,570
in the Vedas that's what I have I don't

2476
01:45:08,570 --> 01:45:05,590
have little green men or little greys or

2477
01:45:12,030 --> 01:45:08,580
mantis beings or reptilians I don't have

2478
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:12,040
that as part of my collection what I

2479
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:14,770
have are high-resolution iconic

2480
01:45:20,910 --> 01:45:17,050
photographs of these avatars and so

2481
01:45:23,190 --> 01:45:20,920
that's that's where I spend my time I'm

2482
01:45:24,630 --> 01:45:23,200
I said before that although I mean I'm

2483
01:45:26,250 --> 01:45:24,640
involved in data collection in this

2484
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:26,260
field and research and questioning of

2485
01:45:30,810 --> 01:45:28,960
the subject I don't have a it's not much

2486
01:45:32,430 --> 01:45:30,820
there's no sense of absoluteness for me

2487
01:45:34,740 --> 01:45:32,440
about getting on a spaceship having

2488
01:45:37,700 --> 01:45:34,750
diplomacy with the greys or any of those

2489
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:37,710
things it's irrelevant to me personally

2490
01:45:40,650 --> 01:45:40,210
I'm on my road to some on a road to

2491
01:45:42,180 --> 01:45:40,660
somewhere else

2492
01:45:45,630 --> 01:45:42,190
it just happens to involve passing

2493
01:45:47,670 --> 01:45:45,640
through this this realm of data question

2494
01:45:49,650 --> 01:45:47,680
but but it's it's what significant is

2495
01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:49,660
looking at what's in my catalogue rather

2496
01:45:58,530 --> 01:45:56,110
than well i'm i yeah but my what's in my

2497
01:46:00,780 --> 01:45:58,540
catalog is defines what i'm doing and as

2498
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:00,790
I said I I'm not doing diplomacy with

2499
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:02,890
the mantids I'm I'm taking pictures of

2500
01:46:07,950 --> 01:46:05,440
the classical avatars of higher

2501
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:07,960
consciousness so that's the the reader

2502
01:46:10,890 --> 01:46:09,610
would have to go or the questioner would

2503
01:46:12,630 --> 01:46:10,900
have to go to my Facebook and look

2504
01:46:13,980 --> 01:46:12,640
through some of the photography and they

2505
01:46:15,690 --> 01:46:13,990
could see a lot of stuff there and

2506
01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:15,700
that's that's where I'm at I'm a yogi

2507
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:18,550
who's in the UFO world journalist you

2508
01:46:23,460 --> 01:46:20,560
know former CBS Radio future producer

2509
01:46:27,060 --> 01:46:23,470
who's also playing in this field because

2510
01:46:30,900 --> 01:46:27,070
I can and because I have proven what

2511
01:46:32,730 --> 01:46:30,910
demonstrated abilities to to come up

2512
01:46:34,650 --> 01:46:32,740
with come up with the evidence

2513
01:46:36,930 --> 01:46:34,660
this isn't off this is an arm's length

2514
01:46:38,340 --> 01:46:36,940
research by any means as I said just

2515
01:46:40,590 --> 01:46:38,350
because my testimony doesn't involve

2516
01:46:42,690 --> 01:46:40,600
flying around on someone's spaceship and

2517
01:46:44,670 --> 01:46:42,700
getting handed you know to stone tablets

2518
01:46:45,930 --> 01:46:44,680
of commandments or something I mean just

2519
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:45,940
because my experience doesn't involved

2520
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:50,050
that doesn't mean that there are there

2521
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:51,600
will be benefits

2522
01:46:56,090 --> 01:46:53,610
to the viewer and the reader from

2523
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:56,100
looking at my footage I mean my footage

2524
01:46:59,300 --> 01:46:57,330
validates for people who don't have

2525
01:47:00,650 --> 01:46:59,310
camera equipment or time and resources

2526
01:47:02,210 --> 01:47:00,660
to go out in the field and do this kind

2527
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:02,220
of stuff it validates for them their own

2528
01:47:05,180 --> 01:47:03,690
experiences and it is helping them

2529
01:47:07,010 --> 01:47:05,190
because they write to me I get the

2530
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:07,020
comments from the it's helping them and

2531
01:47:10,670 --> 01:47:09,360
I've also operated a UFO hotline with my

2532
01:47:12,830 --> 01:47:10,680
toll-free number where people called in

2533
01:47:14,540 --> 01:47:12,840
their reports and I produced psychic

2534
01:47:17,210 --> 01:47:14,550
acoustic studies of their testimonies

2535
01:47:18,460 --> 01:47:17,220
that way as well so that's that's my

2536
01:47:21,620 --> 01:47:18,470
level of participation it's not

2537
01:47:23,480 --> 01:47:21,630
necessarily your classic UFO contactee

2538
01:47:25,250 --> 01:47:23,490
case by any means but it is

2539
01:47:26,270 --> 01:47:25,260
representative of a person you know

2540
01:47:28,270 --> 01:47:26,280
coming out of the late 20th century

2541
01:47:30,980 --> 01:47:28,280
early 21st century background and

2542
01:47:32,900 --> 01:47:30,990
bringing these mixed cultural

2543
01:47:36,740 --> 01:47:32,910
perspectives to the UFO question and

2544
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:36,750
also being able to cite that of places

2545
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:39,690
like the FBI website are defining the

2546
01:47:43,130 --> 01:47:41,460
UFO phenomena in terms of what the

2547
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:43,140
Sanskrit philosophers described as

2548
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:46,050
alternative dimensions I mean I'm not

2549
01:47:49,940 --> 01:47:48,480
exactly out a step seemingly with some

2550
01:47:52,610 --> 01:47:49,950
of the more serious thinkers on these

2551
01:47:54,250 --> 01:47:52,620
questions who emerged prior to my my

2552
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:54,260
appearance in these questions it's just

2553
01:48:00,290 --> 01:47:56,400
yeah I have no realist I'm not really

2554
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:00,300
attached to to it could happen it

2555
01:48:06,710 --> 01:48:02,970
couldn't have I mean really I really

2556
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:06,720
don't have a lot riding on it you know

2557
01:48:11,900 --> 01:48:08,610
my research reputation was based on

2558
01:48:13,220 --> 01:48:11,910
reporting Wars but for taking UFO

2559
01:48:14,900 --> 01:48:13,230
landings it just so happened I picked

2560
01:48:18,050 --> 01:48:14,910
that up along the way it's not to

2561
01:48:22,580 --> 01:48:18,060
trivialize it but I'm not participating

2562
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:22,590
like like many other famous widely

2563
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:26,730
reviewed contact he's that you know the

2564
01:48:32,690 --> 01:48:30,290
Betty and Barney Hill people like that

2565
01:48:35,870 --> 01:48:32,700
very different type of participant in

2566
01:48:38,410 --> 01:48:35,880
that way mm-hmm we have a I have a

2567
01:48:42,440 --> 01:48:38,420
friend that's is listening right now and

2568
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:42,450
she was in New York last weekend and

2569
01:48:49,790 --> 01:48:45,360
they did some type of meditation and

2570
01:48:53,150 --> 01:48:49,800
chanting and saw at least 12 to 15 UFO

2571
01:48:57,740 --> 01:48:53,160
strange strange light flashes and orbs

2572
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:57,750
and etc so 30 people got together and

2573
01:49:04,910 --> 01:49:00,480
did this thing in New York last weekend

2574
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,920
yes and that's amazing to me

2575
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:06,480
so this is this is what I'm identifying

2576
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:07,679
is this trend is happening at the

2577
01:49:10,340 --> 01:49:09,090
grassroots and the people the people

2578
01:49:11,810 --> 01:49:10,350
themselves are assuming some

2579
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:11,820
responsibility for their own growth and

2580
01:49:14,780 --> 01:49:13,530
development in these areas to penetrate

2581
01:49:16,430 --> 01:49:14,790
into the questions that they may feel

2582
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:16,440
that the government or other responsible

2583
01:49:20,270 --> 01:49:18,090
parties may have been shirking their

2584
01:49:21,979 --> 01:49:20,280
duty and you know dereliction of duty

2585
01:49:24,169 --> 01:49:21,989
may have occurred in informing the

2586
01:49:27,169 --> 01:49:24,179
public and so people are saying we have

2587
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:27,179
within ourselves we can we can penetrate

2588
01:49:31,250 --> 01:49:28,530
into these questions and break through

2589
01:49:33,919 --> 01:49:31,260
the barriers of ridicule secrecy etc and

2590
01:49:36,140 --> 01:49:33,929
have meaningful cultural and

2591
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:36,150
philosophical and even spiritual

2592
01:49:40,729 --> 01:49:38,730
experiences as a result so I think what

2593
01:49:42,770 --> 01:49:40,739
you're describing there this is this is

2594
01:49:44,780 --> 01:49:42,780
the this is where the the I have a lot

2595
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:44,790
of faith in this future of individuals

2596
01:49:48,590 --> 01:49:46,770
assuming some of the responsibility for

2597
01:49:51,290 --> 01:49:48,600
their own participation and going out

2598
01:49:53,930 --> 01:49:51,300
and making it happen yeah I'm gonna ask

2599
01:49:58,010 --> 01:49:53,940
you kind of a probably esoteric question

2600
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,020
and that is you you're really into this

2601
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:00,960
topic you really work hard at it you

2602
01:50:08,180 --> 01:50:04,050
know there's no money in it and so what

2603
01:50:09,530 --> 01:50:08,190
keeps you going I think that the way I

2604
01:50:11,410 --> 01:50:09,540
initially stated was coming to terms

2605
01:50:14,990 --> 01:50:11,420
with the psychic nature as an operant

2606
01:50:17,090 --> 01:50:15,000
agency of day-to-day living is the

2607
01:50:20,300 --> 01:50:17,100
greatest question this may raise within

2608
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:20,310
me and so in my attempts to resolve that

2609
01:50:27,110 --> 01:50:25,440
question I I express my inquiry through

2610
01:50:29,900 --> 01:50:27,120
different different activities which

2611
01:50:32,209 --> 01:50:29,910
include filming or field trips and road

2612
01:50:35,419 --> 01:50:32,219
trips with different content keys and

2613
01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:35,429
other videographers I am just you know

2614
01:50:41,630 --> 01:50:38,760
I'm just living the experience you know

2615
01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:41,640
we we some people sing in the shower I

2616
01:50:45,470 --> 01:50:43,260
mean no one's paying them to sing in the

2617
01:50:47,959 --> 01:50:45,480
shower it's just a natural expression of

2618
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,969
their beingness mmm-hmm and their

2619
01:50:50,810 --> 01:50:49,440
personhood so I'm a person who

2620
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:50,820
identifies with this topic and as an

2621
01:50:56,810 --> 01:50:52,290
expression of my personhood and being

2622
01:51:00,560 --> 01:50:56,820
this I participate I see yeah so we have

2623
01:51:03,770 --> 01:51:00,570
only I think we have about five minutes

2624
01:51:06,169 --> 01:51:03,780
left I want to make sure that now you

2625
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:06,179
you used to run a show or do you still

2626
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:11,010
run like a podcast or a live show well I

2627
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:14,400
had done quite a bit of live

2628
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:16,850
broadcasting over YouTube but the

2629
01:51:20,630 --> 01:51:18,810
climate the climb

2630
01:51:23,540 --> 01:51:20,640
on YouTube had become so difficult for

2631
01:51:26,810 --> 01:51:23,550
me that long format productions for

2632
01:51:30,710 --> 01:51:26,820
YouTube have become really not practical

2633
01:51:33,860 --> 01:51:30,720
because my content is it was subject to

2634
01:51:36,050 --> 01:51:33,870
fraudulent claims of copyright and which

2635
01:51:38,180 --> 01:51:36,060
creates all kinds of complications and

2636
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:38,190
problems and so my long format content

2637
01:51:43,490 --> 01:51:40,290
is is still appearing at News Insider

2638
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:43,500
calm through the musial plus mini

2639
01:51:48,500 --> 01:51:45,930
documentary series people can find my

2640
01:51:50,630 --> 01:51:48,510
long format contact there but yeah I did

2641
01:51:52,490 --> 01:51:50,640
participate in social media broadcasting

2642
01:51:56,440 --> 01:51:52,500
and so on I I learned the ropes I did

2643
01:52:00,620 --> 01:51:56,450
the whole thing I found that YouTube's

2644
01:52:02,210 --> 01:52:00,630
climate was very inhibited for someone

2645
01:52:05,660 --> 01:52:02,220
in my position it was intensely

2646
01:52:10,190 --> 01:52:05,670
inhibited and institutionally structured

2647
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:10,200
to not to do less to do with freedom of

2648
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:13,250
speech and other values and rather to

2649
01:52:18,890 --> 01:52:16,890
diminish people's ability to connect and

2650
01:52:20,930 --> 01:52:18,900
share information so what can I say

2651
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:20,940
YouTube's a big disappointment for me

2652
01:52:27,590 --> 01:52:24,210
because I mean I'm a YouTube partner and

2653
01:52:29,420 --> 01:52:27,600
as I say it's a there is serious serious

2654
01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:29,430
problems there with the use of

2655
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:32,210
institutional resources to to censor and

2656
01:52:38,900 --> 01:52:35,970
abuse content creators so that's my

2657
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:38,910
opportunities is is is in other areas as

2658
01:52:44,570 --> 01:52:40,320
they say I continue to self-produce and

2659
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:44,580
so on yeah so I I have you know there's

2660
01:52:47,810 --> 01:52:45,930
lots of people who will still talk to me

2661
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:47,820
I've been critical of some of the people

2662
01:52:51,170 --> 01:52:49,920
in ufology I think for good reason but

2663
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:51,180
they're still prominent figures who will

2664
01:52:54,380 --> 01:52:53,130
still talk to me who still will still

2665
01:52:56,780 --> 01:52:54,390
interview with me and we may see some

2666
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:56,790
interesting interviews coming from those

2667
01:53:02,210 --> 01:53:00,000
talks over the next six months but as

2668
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:02,220
well I feel was a sense of pressure on

2669
01:53:07,550 --> 01:53:04,170
time that I must publish in a meaningful

2670
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:07,560
way to distill the the intelligence from

2671
01:53:12,830 --> 01:53:09,210
all of the data that I've collected and

2672
01:53:16,090 --> 01:53:12,840
to to ask the questions in print and

2673
01:53:19,250 --> 01:53:16,100
other media that may not be that may be

2674
01:53:22,340 --> 01:53:19,260
avoided in my absence I as a as a

2675
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,350
provocateur activist in this region I in

2676
01:53:27,380 --> 01:53:24,560
this area I seem to have the ability to

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to get into areas of thought that are

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01:53:32,690 --> 01:53:29,340
not necessarily as prominently

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pronounced in the culture so I

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01:53:35,540 --> 01:53:33,900
I saw something to say and I'm very

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excited about completing my documentary

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01:53:39,380 --> 01:53:37,470
series for this year as well as whatever

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01:53:41,050 --> 01:53:39,390
new research opportunities come up I

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01:53:43,250 --> 01:53:41,060
continue to work with individuals

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01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:43,260
dealing with issues related to UFO

2686
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:44,730
contact and other kinds of stress and

2687
01:53:49,010 --> 01:53:46,530
trauma through my private practice as a

2688
01:53:51,020 --> 01:53:49,020
consultant I've been a speech analyst in

2689
01:53:53,090 --> 01:53:51,030
private practice since the late 1990s

2690
01:53:56,180 --> 01:53:53,100
very successful practice is recognized

2691
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,190
by professionals in the medical mental

2692
01:54:01,040 --> 01:53:59,040
health field some excellent testimonies

2693
01:54:02,180 --> 01:54:01,050
on my website so people want to get in

2694
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:02,190
touch with me personally while we're

2695
01:54:06,170 --> 01:54:03,570
writing this up of course my facebook

2696
01:54:09,050 --> 01:54:06,180
john kelly but also my my my site your

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01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:09,060
inner voice calm your inner voice calm

2698
01:54:12,410 --> 01:54:10,530
is you can find out about my consulting

2699
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:12,420
practice there people may have questions

2700
01:54:16,670 --> 01:54:14,400
related to experiences interferences of

2701
01:54:19,310 --> 01:54:16,680
dreams other things they want to tap

2702
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:19,320
into my ability to extract unconscious

2703
01:54:24,230 --> 01:54:20,730
communications from testimony is very

2704
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:24,240
powerful and proven widely I can

2705
01:54:28,370 --> 01:54:26,010
certainly do do more of that work for

2706
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:28,380
people as well so that that is my story

2707
01:54:31,190 --> 01:54:30,000
it's been wonderful sharing with you

2708
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:31,200
Martin and having a chance to come back

2709
01:54:34,700 --> 01:54:32,930
after you say a number of years many

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01:54:36,050 --> 01:54:34,710
exciting things have happened in our

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01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:36,060
world and I hope that many things

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01:54:39,260 --> 01:54:37,770
exciting things continue to happen for

2713
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:39,270
the UFO community and people who are

2714
01:54:42,380 --> 01:54:40,800
watching this issue hoping for some

2715
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:42,390
insight and breakthrough

2716
01:54:46,730 --> 01:54:44,730
personally or as a society I hope that

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01:54:49,310 --> 01:54:46,740
all of us are successful in finding out

2718
01:54:52,850 --> 01:54:49,320
the answers to our questions I agree and

2719
01:54:55,700 --> 01:54:52,860
just quickly on YouTube by all these

2720
01:54:57,650 --> 01:54:55,710
podcasts go up on YouTube and I used to

2721
01:55:00,320 --> 01:54:57,660
read the comments but I stopped doing

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01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:00,330
that because you know they can be rather

2723
01:55:05,630 --> 01:55:02,490
negative there are some really good ones

2724
01:55:08,090 --> 01:55:05,640
though but I continue to communicate and

2725
01:55:09,650 --> 01:55:08,100
contribute to YouTube but YouTube is the

2726
01:55:13,460 --> 01:55:09,660
YouTube institution itself the staff

2727
01:55:15,290 --> 01:55:13,470
itself came down on me Wow how about

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01:55:17,630 --> 01:55:15,300
that well that's it for the show this

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01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:17,640
evening I want to thank you John very

2730
01:55:21,500 --> 01:55:20,370
much for participating yeah it's great

2731
01:55:23,150 --> 01:55:21,510
to be with you and I thank you again for

2732
01:55:25,670 --> 01:55:23,160
they give me for your show all the best

2733
01:55:28,130 --> 01:55:25,680
to you and continued success yes alright

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01:55:30,980 --> 01:55:28,140
everyone so Nick Redfern will be on next

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01:55:34,370 --> 01:55:30,990
week I want to thank Alejandro Rojas for

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01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:34,380
the news we had music by Bruce Renier

2737
01:55:38,810 --> 01:55:37,050
and Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse I want to

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01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:38,820
thank Peggy for managing the Facebook

2739
01:55:43,190 --> 01:55:41,130
page she's back from vacation so she's

2740
01:55:46,190 --> 01:55:43,200
at it again and if you like us on

2741
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:46,200
Facebook you'll get all the latest UFO

2742
01:55:51,710 --> 01:55:48,930
newse again we'll be back next week at

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01:55:54,590 --> 01:55:51,720
the same time with Nick Redfern 8

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01:55:56,180 --> 01:55:54,600
o'clock Eastern Standard Time and we'll